Tokyo Douglas vs Marciano

This is one of the possibilities on the cards, but at the end of the day we are talking about most probably case scenario.

Nobody should ever be favoured over Marciano just for being big, or just for beating somebody who was better at some stage of their career.

 

I am a big fan of 80's boxing HW's because they are almost over shadowed by the 1970's guys even though many had better skills. Douglas happens to be one,ive watched almost all his fights and he had a outstanding powerful jab and when at his best could beat anyone really.

Marciano has little chance here if its 80's douglas,put in perspective douglas was 6'4 230 pounds when in shape and had very good footwork and a punishing fast jab,i saw him knock down a guy 3 times in one fight with the jab alone. Marciano I think gets cut up and cant get anywhere near him, I cant see him getting in on that 83 inch reach or so,Douglas isn't just going to stand there ,watch the tucker fight and you will see how good he is.

I think Buster or Tokyo Douglas defeats him .Douglas by TKo rnd 9.

 

I agree, compared to Tyson, Marciano offers no pattern to follow. As great as Douglas was in this fight, and I stand by my admission that on that form Douglas goes 50-50 with any great fighter, another huge factor was how young and unaccustomed to a difficult fight Tyson was. As Douglas began to out think him, set traps that Tyson just kept falling into, Tyson became hesitant, confused and frustrated. He took his lumps, he did not quit but it just got worse and worse for Tyson because he did not understand what was happening. Mike was programmed, there was no back up plan. The less he understood the more he got hit thinking about it.

Rocky supposedly came through quite a few more wars and learning fights at every level to draw upon. Tyson was a fast tracked talent by comparison and this was largely exploited by Douglas.

Even losing I dont see Rocky succumbing to quite the same fate.

 

Tokyo Douglas.

 

Marciano

 

Marciano scored arguably the best KO in history. That punch KO's any human.

Janitor is right, nobody wins just for size.

 

If the only thing you needed to beat Marciano was a jab then Charles, Walcott, Lastarza, Moore, Layne, and Matthews would have all crapped on Marciano.

 

Yeah he could, Rocky was more dominant at his peak. H2H Larry takes it though.

 

I think hd gets disrespected, if that's the word you want to use, because he's being compared to a fighter in a different era. Personally l think Toyko Douglas wins rather easily primarily because of his jab, but it's never a good idea to go back too far in time and compare those fighters against fighters of today. The great's are still greats but they should be left in the past where they belong. And that version of Tyson was still a very dangerous fighter.

 

And that isn't the case here,those picking Douglas ,or giving him a good chance are doing so because he proved that, when focused he had the tools to deal successfully with a short swarmer.
The fact that he was 6'3.5" with an 83inch reach and weighed over 231lbs cannot be simply ignored ,this wasn't some untrained lummox this was a well co-ordinated big man with real boxing abilities who knew perfectly well how to maximise the effectiveness of them. A big boxer puncher that landed 51% of his punches against the reigning champion to score a historic upset.
If you don't think the fact that Marciano would be conceding 5.5inches in height ,15 inches in reach, and 46lbs in weight coupled with the edge in boxing skill should be factored in the equation ,then I suggest you are not addressing the realities of the situation.

 

Nobody should be favoured over Douglas just because his best wins are over a 37 years old relic of an ex champion having his last fight,a past prime ex lightheavyweight, a 37 year old champion having his last 2 fights and a 40 years old ex light heavy who himself admitted his legs were gone by the time of that fight.
Average age of these opponents 36.50years

 

Actually they often do if the bigger man has skills too ,[ in this case superior skills], that's why Jeffries beat Fitzsimmons in their second fight, that's why Golovkin would not beat Valuev ,Danny Garcia would not beat Kovalev,Floyd Mayweather would not beat Andre Ward , Brook was demolished by Golovkin,Frampton would not beat Thurman, Carnera, beat Loughran, in fact that's the reason why we have weight classes at all!

 

The Tokyo version of Douglas is a 50-50 fight with Marciano. He had more than just size going for him, he schooled a young undefeated champion in a great masterclass performance.

But where do you get off insulting Marciano again? His championship fights were all against the best available challengers who were each beating top contenders.

It's rather embarrassing to resort to their age of Marcianos best opponents when Tubbs, Thomas, Holmes, Spinks went years without even beating a rated opponent when they challenged Tyson as rusty hand picked fodder. Tucker, Bruno, Biggs certainly don't count as guys earning contender status as thoroughly as Archie Moore.

Only Berbick, Smith, Williams and Douglas count as genuine current contenders for Tyson and he went just 3-1 against them even though he was a huge favourite for each if them.

So please, it is silly bringing up age with more worthy opponents.

 

How is stating facts insulting? What is insulting about telling the truth?.

What the ages of Tyson's opponents were has zero relevance to this discussion which is about the chances of the Douglas of the Tokyo fight v prime Marciano.
FIND ONE POST OF MINE,WHERE I HAVE INSULTED MARCIANO. POST IT HERE AND I'LL APOLOGIZE. IF YOU DONT I WANT AN APOLOGY FROM YOU!

ps
Spinks was the reigning lineal champion .
Thomas was no5
Biggs was no 9
In the space of 17 months Tyson defended his versions of the title 7 times. That's one more defence than Marciano managed in 3 years!

You seriously need to get a grip!

 

In discussing Marcianos chances against Douglas You brought up the same "bad leggs, 36.5 years of age average" stuff again...which is pretty insulting when all those guys were more worthy in the sense that they were beating real contenders at the actual time than the challengers of the guy who made Douglas.

Tucker had a belt, it meant nothing. Spinks was linear but when he met Tyson who was the last rated heavyweight he beat? How long before? Ditto Tubbs. Ditto Thomas. Ditto Holmes. So whilst you can find ratings for most of Tysons challengers these ratings were certainly not based on beating currently rated fighters in most recent fights. It leaves only Smith, Berbick, Willams and Buster who did.

We are both correct in what we say. Marciano beat guys whos age might average 35 years old (when he was 29-32) and a lot of Tysons guys were rusty in world level experience. It did not stop Rockys guys being legit and it did not stop Tysons guys having a rating.