the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    How many is it luf?
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Fights on my list? 100
     
  3. KnightAndDay

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    Evander Holyfield - Lennox Lewis I


    Rd 1 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 2 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 3 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 4 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 5 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 6 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 7 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 8 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 9 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 10 - 10-9, Holyfield
    Rd 11 - 10-9, Holyfield
    Rd 12 - 10-9, Lewis


    118-110, Lewis
     
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Livingstone Bramble vs. Oba Carr

    Round 1: 10-7 Bramble (Carr down twice this round)
    Round 2: 10-9 Carr
    Round 3: 10-9 Carr
    Round 4: 10-10 Even
    Round 5: 10-9 Carr
    Round 6: 10-9 Bramble
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Bramble
    Round 9: 10-9 Bramble
    Round 10: 10-9 Bramble

    Total: 97-93 Bramble

    Officially this was a split decision for Carr. But I cannot make a case for Carr in this one. After 5 five rounds he would only fight in spurts - winning the early part of a round and then succumbing to Bramble's body blows and simply hanging on. I love Carr's stylish boxing, but Bramble was robbed.
     
  5. salsanchezfan

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    Azumah Nelson - Mario Martinez I


    I'd read how this fight symbolized in ways how Nelson benefited from friendly Don King educated judges from time to time, and oddly enough I'd never seen it. High time I did.


    Not a great fight, really. For all the skill represented in that ring, there wasn't much being done. Nelson was respectful of Martinez' power and skipped around on his toes much of the time flashing a "stay away from me" jab, while Azabache waited to counter with his heavier shots. Nelson always had a great knack of flurrying strongly once or twice a round to score points and impress the judges, which he did here, and even scored occasionally doing so. Martinez was tighter and more efficient, but just fought too passively. It was a chess match all the way except for the 10th, when a right-left bounced off Nelson's jaw and he fell fairly hard. Nelson rebounded stubbornly to take the 11th on the strength of his best Ali impersonation, bouncing on his toes and flicking the jab while Martinez waited and waited. Martinez took the 12th round that finally saw the pair trading along the ropes, something that hadn't yet been done in the 12 rounds. Here's how I had it…..


    Nelson: 1, 4, 7, 8, 9, 11

    Martinez: 3, 5, 6, 10*, 12

    Even: 2


    *Martinez scores knockdown


    114-114


    Not a robbery certainly. Really could have been scored either way.
     
  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sal, I had this a bit wider for Martinez, but I enjoyed the fight nonetheless.

    Round 1: 10-10 Even
    Round 2: 10-9 Nelson
    Round 3: 10-9 Martinez
    Round 4: 10-9 Nelson
    Round 5: 10-9 Martinez
    Round 6: 10-9 Nelson
    Round 7: 10-9 Martinez
    Round 8: 10-9 Martinez
    Round 9: 10-9 Martinez
    Round 10: 10-8 Martinez (scored a knockdown)
    Round 11: 10-9 Nelson
    Round 12: 10-9 Martinez

    116-112 Martinez
     
  7. KnightAndDay

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    Evander Holyfield - Lennox Lewis II


    Rd 1 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 2 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 3 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 4 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 5 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 6 - 10-9, Holyfield
    Rd 7 - 10-10, Even
    Rd 8 - 10-9, Holyfield
    Rd 9 - 10-9, Holyfield
    Rd 10 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 11 - 10-9, Lewis
    Rd 12 - 10-9, Holyfield


    116-113, Lewis
     
  8. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Quite a lot of different rounds there; making me question myself!

    It was one of those where with just a couple exceptions, the rounds were all very close. Where there WAS any real discernible winner of a round, it seemed Martinez was the guy.
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't question yourself, it just means we're not in lock-step with each other. That's the beauty of watching and judging a fight and seeing different facets of how the fight is unfolding. I totally respect your opinion.
     
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  10. KnightAndDay

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    Sugar Ray Leonard - Marvin Hagler


    Rd 1 - 10-9, Leonard
    Rd 2 - 10-9, Leonard
    Rd 3 - 10-9, Leonard
    Rd 4 - 10-9, Hagler
    Rd 5 - 10-9, Leonard
    Rd 6 - 10-9, Hagler
    Rd 7 - 10-9, Hagler
    Rd 8 - 10-9, Hagler
    Rd 9 - 10-9, Hagler
    Rd 10 - 10-9, Leonard
    Rd 11 - 10-9, Leonard
    Rd 12 - 10-9, Hagler


    114-114, Draw
     
  11. KnightAndDay

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    Danny Garcia - Erik Morales I


    Rd 1 - 10-9, Garcia
    Rd 2 - 10-9, Morales
    Rd 3 - 10-9, Garcia
    Rd 4 - 10-9, Morales
    Rd 5 - 10-9, Morales
    Rd 6 - 10-9, Garcia
    Rd 7 - 10-9, Morales
    Rd 8 - 10-9, Morales
    Rd 9 - 10-9, Garcia
    Rd 10 - 10-9, Morales
    Rd 11 - 10-8, Garcia
    Rd 12 - 10-9, Garcia


    114-113, Garcia
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  12. scartissue

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    Azumah Nelson vs. Wilfredo Gomez

    Make sure you watch the English version on youtube with Al Bernstein commentating (it's a whole video about 54 minutes I think) because the clarity is far better than the ones that are broken up into parts and with the spanish commentators. Those are a bit blurry. Anyways here we go.

    Round 1: 10-9 Nelson
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Nelson (I think Bernstein gave this to Gomez but he missed more than he landed - his timing got better as the fight went on)
    Round 4: 10-9 Nelson
    Round 5: 10-9 Gomez
    Round 6: 10-9 Gomez
    Round 7: 10-10 Even
    Round 8: 10-9 Nelson
    Round 9: 10-9 Gomez
    Round 10: 10-9 Nelson
    Round 11: KO for Nelson

    Through 10 completed rounds I had Nelson up 97-95. I believe officially that Gomez was leading on two judges scorecards and even on the third. I can assure you that the Puerto Rican audience carried a lot of influence. Two of the best officials I've seen - Dick Young and Harry Gibb - seemed rattled in San Juan. Young had Gomez leading in this fight and Gibb let Gomez get away with murder in the Zarate fight. Also here you can see Octavio Meyran would not take points from Gomez for continuous low blows.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Ward UD12 Kovalev

    Ward wants to slip in a jab to the body early while dropping back when Kovalev works. You can see why that might not work with Kovalev's right over the top and excellent footwork. Kovalev's head movement looks good early but he wants to wait a bit. Kovalev jabs Ward back onto his heels and that's the big power clue. Ward is missing with his own right over the top; that's bad, obviously, but a bit of a disaster here, and on the minute mark Kovalev drops over a straight combo. Ward's problem here is that he needs to be dialled in because Kovalev is boxing him on a postage stamp, very accurate - this is very hard to counter, this offence. The story of the first is Kovalev sticking Ward on the end of his straight-punches, mainly the jab, a disaster.

    The right hand that drops Ward in the second is the final warning and the arc of the fight suggest Ward heeds it. Ward starts the third rough-housing, which is perfect, but the referee is all over it which is a good thing for Kovalev. Ward is back to the jab, but ships another small portion of straight punches. Ward lands his first really good jab off lateral movement and comes in square, gloves up. I'm surprised Kovalev allows this, he should be a little more active IMO. Ward lands a sneaky little left hook best punch of the round; evens up the round - Ward is making him miss now, too, but he does land a clipping little right hand on the way in and they exchange in the wrestle. Even round under any civilised scoring system but if you have to give it, you give it to Kovalev.

    Ward is wrestling, keeping his head hard, making it mucky. Very good strategy. Ward's mixing up to mid-range when they exchange, slipping, ducking, moving, is upsetting Kovalev's rhythm but he's not bringing an awful lot back. I like Ward's messy strategy, but he needs to land more, nice little uppercut for Kovalev at 1:10 as Ward comes in, but generally he is missing with these punches. Kovalev needs a bit more activity, Ward needs to dial in a single shot in order to make progress. This is another Kovalev round, based upon a jabbing combination with 15 seconds remaining.

    Ward has stopped the momentum though and a sneaky bodyshot as Kovalev is going away probably puts him up in a round for the first time; Kovalev evens it up with a hook and Ward re-takes a lead with a hook of his own, but a nice jab-right combo puts Kovalev up again. Ward lands a bodyshot in the clinch; Kovalev jabs him back with fort seconds left, Ward lands a right over the top to perhaps sneak him in front? Jab to the body from Ward...i'll give him that frame. But he's 4-1 down after five with the KD.

    Six is huge. Ward opens with a decent bodyshot. Ward is trying to reintrodce the jab to the body with more success he's dialled in his lean now, can perhaps stay away from the counter-right. Ward is trying to control the distance, he understands, i think, the meaning of each distance he's just having problems inflicting himself on Kovalev. Nothing in it with 1:15 remaining. Kovalev looks prepared to be bamboozled. He's not being, but he looks ready to be. I think Kovalev barely shaded that round, but he's had two desperately close rounds go his way on my cards.

    Ward clearly takes the seventh mixing up the minor successes from the early rounds, a couple of very quick jabs and a nice bodyshot. This is what I expected to see if Ward was to do well.

    Ward now knows where Kovalev is. But Kovalev is landing at about the same rate as he was early in the 8th; so now we are balancing their offence. I'd give it to Ward on the strength of the bodywork, but it's another even round really. I wish i could give even rounds.

    Kovalev is now trying to feint in with edging footwork and Ward is not buying that. He's landing jabs, he's landing to the body, Kovalev looks a little disorganised. Great punches from Ward. Kovalev is still landing prodding jabs and the occasional rights, but Ward is outlanding him. Kovalev wants to sneak in, what is that? Ward round - first Ward round that's a big Ward round. It's 5-4.

    Ward lands a few good jabs in ten. He's looking a little more willing, that blip seems to be over. THat's a nice uppercut to the torso with Ward coming in. Another, to the beltline. Ward jabs. Kovalev jabs. They are sort of trying to edge each otehr, that's Ward's game but Kovalev is good enough to have his successes - and those early rounds...Kovalev looks a little tired, his hands are low and he gets hit with a sneak counter on his way in. With a minute left I have Kovalev clearly ahead but Ward is in the round. So it goes.

    Ward needs a KD for me going into the eleventh. They are squabbling, nobody is prepared to take the ultimate chance. They need 15. They really need 15 these two. A sharp left hook on 2 mins remaining puts Ward in front. Kovalev is feinting in and then allowing Ward to dip without throwing a punch. Good jabs from Ward. Kovalev misses a flurry but it's good that he's throwing. Double left banks the round for Ward but Kovalev chases him down in the final forty seconds, he then stumbles in front of Ward. He's the more tired of the two.

    Ward opens, again, with a good hook, Kovalev evens it up with a pair of nice little short punches at mid-range. They wswap left hooks. Ward jabs and hooks upstairs, they swap jabs. I have Ward ahead by a jab at the 2:00 remaining mark. Ward is ready to dog up close, Kovalev is tired, but as Roy puts it, he's not backing down. Lead right from Ward. He's sneaking in front. Kovalev evens it up with a bodyshot of his own, things are even. Just before Kovalev lands a low blow, Ward lands a jab. Kovalev lands a jab and it's even, Ward lands a hook with thirty seconds left...Ward slips some punches on the ropes. If Ward had got his **** together even a round earlier he'd have been ok. But this is Kovalev for me.

    WARD:5,7,8,9,11,12
    KOVALEV:1,2*,3,4,6,10,

    So I have it to Kovalev by the KD, by a point. I think you can find seven rounds for Ward, but it's tough. In the end, Kovalev was tiring, Ward was very brave, i've no real problem with the result. I think the judge's cards were OK.

    *Ward down.
     
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  14. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Good fight that.
     
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