Vitali Klitschko (1999) vs Zaire Ali (1974)

Really typing this in for other posters since you can not listen or learn on this topic

Being hard to stop is just that. Purrity and Donald were hard to stop just like Ali was hard to stop. Vitali beat on them and stopped them as he would beat on Ali resting on the ropes

Byrd did NOTHING. Vitali injured his shoulder. Ali pulled out of fights due to injury, he's just lucky nothing like that happened to him in the ring. And when he wanted to quit, Dundee would not let him

We are talking about Zaire here, not Minilla! Ali's stamina in Zaire was not great. Stick to the subject. Ron Lyle out boxed Ali in the very next fight until being caught late with a solid right hand by Ali, some say the stoppage was pre-mature.

 

you cant stop me getting banned BY YOU claiming that anyone mentioning Ali having Parkinsonians is a joke.

It will stop you getting banned though, so that's fine.

 

Only reply about the thread topic, thank you.

I pick Ali.

 

exactly my point thanks.

 

Thank you.

I pick Ali.

 

Go watch Donald against Bowe and compare him to when he fought Vitali. His best attribute was footwork. His legs were gone against Vitali. He was a sitting duck in the centre of the ring. Vitali would not have came close to stopping a prime Donald. No way , no how.
Why are you bringing a journeyman into the equation? Purrity had a solid chin , but wtf else has he in common with Ali?
He made it easy for Vitali by walking into his punches like all journeymen do and Vitali STILL COULDN'T knock him down or OUT. It was a cut stoppage.

Byrd landed at a higher connect rate from round one. Vitali missed far more than he landed. There were 5-6 rounds in that fight without injury and Vitali couldn't do diddly squat to Byrd. Ike Ibeauchi destroyed Byrd in that time.
Byrd was never under any duress against Vitali. He laugh and taunted him throughout. He was sending him reeling across the ring with jabs thrown from his tiny t-rex arms. Vitali didn't like it one bit.
Ali fought and won fights with a broken jaw. He never quit. Punches get thrown at your face not your shoulder. Vitali is 5% of the fighter Ali was, he would have quit on the spot if he thought there was something wrong with his jaw.

The fact Vitali never wanted any rematch with Byrd proves his loss was no fluke. He had a legal claim over Byrd . He passed him over to his brother instead. It was evident he didn't have the tools to beat him. He didn't want to get embarrassed for a second time. The thought of Vitali doing better against Ali is nothing but a fanboi pipe dream.

Its far more likely Vitali suffers worse under those conditions. There was no issue with Ali's stamina. Getting pounded on by a brute savage while using constant upper body movement in draining heat is the ultimate test of endurance and conditioning. Ali was never tired. He has the edge in literally everything.
In his prime he goes through Vitali's record undefeated and has enough mileage left to fight on till he was 50.
Vitali picks up numerous losses on Ali's record. Vitali couldn't hold Ali's jockstrap. He'd even tell you that himself.

 

At the end of the day Vitali moved on became better improved his game ,derailed Lewis fights with Tyson in a rematch and a wanted Wlad match and his quest to box for 2/3 more years which lewis thought he would do prior to Vitali fight.
Had Vitali not left boxing for 4 years he would have defeated Byrd who sighned with king and King wanted no part of either Klitchko until forced to fight Wlad. you seem to live in a great fantasy world only seen with beer goggles i'll give you credit for that ,but that's about it.

And Byrd would be a much improved Jimmy Young,who also arguably beat Ali or was on par with Ali,only monster punchers like Ike took Byrd out in his prime and that guy was stronger than foreman.

 

you know exactly what I mean, unless you talk so much **** you don't even keep track of what you type anymore.

and stop trying to show off to the newbies aware that their the only posters that will fall for your **** you sneaky misquoting snake that doesn't even take ownership for his own words.

 

Log off, you simpleton. I get that you don't like the Klitschkos but to flat out make sh*t up like this just goes to show what a pin head fantasist you are.

Let's argue Dino style:

Vitali was a 300lb monster that never lost a single fight going up against an old guy with no footwork, no punch and no handspeed. Ali got dropped several times lol. Vitali KO1 when he rips Ali's head off and scores bonus points for a gruesome massacre. LOL what a mismatch LOL. Pitting a slow-ass guy like Ali against Vitali LOL.

Want some more?

 

Vitali lost 4 rounds to Byrd on my card. Byrd demonstrate how effective a good defence is at every range.

He made him miss from distance and up close.

There is nothing that Ali couldn't do that Byrd could.

Ali hit harder than Byrd as well, so all the shots Byrd landed would have more effect and as we all know, Vitali cuts bad.

We know how hard Ali can fight in the 12th round and we know what pace he can fight at. Vitali is unknown on both of these fronts.

I doubt Vitali can hurt Ali. Chisora walked into his punches for 12 rounds.

Maybe, just maybe Vitali takes the early rounds by virtue of work rate. But he will look horrendous winning those rounds. As the fight gets on Ali will be landing clean shot after clean shot and they will take an effect over the course of the fight.

Ali points or late tko.

 

ali rips vitalis head clean off, that's even if you fed vitali enough drugs to get in the ring with ali.

 

Whose making stuff up ? Not me? Sounds like you can't handle the truth. Not my fault. Maybe stop and have a think that your hero's aren't everything you think they are.Ever thought about that?

Here's some figures to get your brain pea juices flowing.

Vitali vs Byrd
Vitali
- total punch connect rate. = 26%
-power punches = 35%
Byrd
-total punch connect rate=44%
-power punches= 50%

Wladimir Klitschko vs Byrd II
Wlad
-Total Punches landed= 44%
-power= 39%

Lennox Lewis Total Punch connect rate = 43%
Vitali Total Punch connect rate = 32%

Vitali threw 1013 punches at Keven Johnson and managed to only land a pitiful 298. He MISSED 715 punches against a bum standing right in front of him. A guy Joshua couldn't miss and knocked out in the first round.

That's evidence this guy couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. But he stops Ali??? hahahahahaha
Delete your account

 

A poster went to the effort of posting a very accurate description of the event and how it happened. If this doesn't help you , nothing will.

 

Vitali was way past his best by late 2000's,Ali had overatted defense and was almost always hit by jabbers. Byrd was Vitalis biggest fight to,he fought practically no one before that of note. Have them fight 3 times Vitali gets a stoppage in one of them ,probably the 3rd fight because he was very smart at adapting to fighters,why Lewis wouldn't take the rematch either. Byrd is more difficult to hit than ali was he had much more elusive movement,ali really had lean back try and hit me style,Byrd was slicker in the pocket by far.

 

You forgot the rest of the equation:

Melvina Lathan 88-83 | judge: Ruben Garcia Dr. 89-82 | judge: Joachim Jacobsen 88-83 TO VITALI.

Vitali overwhelmed Byrd with volume, and shut down his offence. Byrd was always a particularly tricky customer and Vitali had no problems in dominating him.

Maybe this sums up my position better than your own cherry picking attempts:

"Before Klitschko's four-year hiatus he was an amazing offensive force. Against Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams in 2004, Klitschko landed a combined 54 percent of his 59 punches per round and connected on 61 percent of his 36 power shots. In his tko loss to Lennox Lewis in '03, Klitschko landed an average of 26 punches per round, throwing 72. In 2008 against Samuel Peter and Juan Carlos Gomez, he landed a combined 42 percent of 65 punches per round and 48 percent of 27 power punches. The heavyweight average is 46 thrown, 17 landed per round."

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/fights/20...-tomasz-adamek/article/compubox-analysis.html

Vitali throws more punches and is more accurate than other boxers. FACT.

Zaire Ali was past peak and wasn't going to have the footspeed, on that sh*tty ring, to outdance Vitali.

Playing rope-a dope was going to get him picked apart.

For what it's worth I don't think Vits would necessarily stop Ali, but it's not a good version of Ali to pit against Vitali on a soft ring. I'd hazard a guess of 60-40 Vitali wins under those circumstances ... depending on how he handles the heat. The African sun is no joke and if he has a meltdown then anything could happen.

See, that's how we do a considered evaluation ^.