Would Tyson Be Likely To Stop Jeffries Over 15rds?

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  1. mcvey

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    The poster said he was 225 in HIS time, I pointed out that when in shape he wasn't.
    In title defences Jeffries scaled the following:
    Sharkey 210lbs
    Finnegan 240lbs* Finnegan was a no hoper who had no business near a title shot and Jeffries trained accordingly for him.
    Corbett 218lbs
    Ruhlin218lbs
    Fitzsimmons 219lbs
    Corbett 210lbs
    Munroe224lbs* Munroe was another no hoper who did not merit a title shot and pictures of Jeffries shaking hands in the ring with him in the ring show a flabby champion without muscle tone and a plump challenger who is carrying a ton of lard around his a*se.

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    In summary Jeffries NEVER scaled 220lbs for defence against a serious challenger and his average weight for those credible defences was 215lbs.
     
  2. mcvey

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    In what fights was "Jeffries grappling skill" in evidence?
    Johnson did what he wanted with him.
    And why would it be relevant to modern day fighting anyway?
     
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  3. klompton2

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    Jeffries standing up to punchers that weighed about 165 pounds is a far cry from fighting a dynamite 215 pound puncher like Tyson. Never in his career did Jeffries face a guy who had a combination of size, speed, and power that Tyson had. Tyson was in a different class from the guys Jeffries was facing in terms of skill, size, and power.
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    Or those where were there and had access to 1st hand testimonials like to say Nat Fleisher said Fitzsimmons was the best ko artist of all time, ahead of Dempsey and Louis. Did they hit hard enough for you? I'd say both are comparable to Tyson.

    What you fail to recognize if the gloves back then were much lighter. The fighters didn't wear gum shield either which help when taking a punch.

    Sure Tyson was powerful and explosive. He's also a bully type who can fold and uses excuses. Those who stood up to him, and made it out of the early rounds beat him. Yeah, he read your book, so you'll defend him until the cow's come home. I get it...
     
  5. mcvey

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    Fleischer never saw Fitz.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    If you read the San Fan chronicle, it said Jeffries was in good shape for this fight, had a resting heart beat of 45 after strenuous activity for an hour and such.

    This photo is a side profile shot. People look their heaviest in photos like this and Jeffries has a very large chest.

    Munroe would have been ranked in the top ten by 1904. While he's not among Jeffries best five opponents, but he was blasted out quickly. You see when a quality champion faces top 4-10 ranked type of opponents , he should win easily. Jeffries won impressively at 224 pounds, which kind of sinks your battleship.

    Jeffries got himself into reasonable shape vs Johnson, and he was over 225 pound then.

    And he won another title fight in one round over 230 pounds.

    Back in his day fighters trained down. In a modern sense, Jeffries is easily 225. More like 230-235 in shape.
     
  7. FrankinDallas

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    I see two possible outcomes. I am assuming a 12 round bout. I see no reason whatsoever
    that Jeffries could not, with modern nutrition (i.e. peds) make 225.

    1) Tyson hurts Jeffries almost immediately, and KO's him quickly.
    2) Jeffries survives Tyson's furious early onslaught, Tyson's fragile psyche crumbles,
    and Jeffries drops a Douglas-like loss on Mike around round 10.

    50/50 either way.
     
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  8. mcvey

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    Jeffries is flabby in the photos he has no muscle tone and knew he was in for an easy night so why train hard? I don't have a battleship I'm just pointing out your statement is totally WRONG when in good shape ,prime Jeffries NEVER scaled 220lbs and his average for the real defences against credible challengers was 215lbs, it's that simple.
    Munroe and Finnegan were travesties of fighters, no one but yourself would contend they deserved title shots.Munroe had 12 wins 7 of them over men having their first bouts!Another debutee held him to a draw. When Jack Johnson toyed with him the reporters remarked that Munroe did not even know how to punch correctly. Finnegan had had the sh*t punched out of him in his last fight by Ruhlin, he had won just 4 of his 11 fights.Accounts of the Jeffries fight make for pitiful reading, it was a disgrace putting him in a title fight!
     
  9. mcvey

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    Its over 15 rds, as the title states.
     
  10. Dubblechin

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    How many times did Nat Fleischer watch Jim Jeffries fight?

    The last time Jeffries fought in New York, Fleischer was 10. Did he see him then?
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    He said he saw him once.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    I believe I read that he saw the Johnson-Jeffries fight - and that it was the first heavyweight title fight he'd ever witnessed. Based on Jeffries' performance, I don't know how Fleischer could announce Jeffries was one of the best fighting men ever.

    I'd take Tyson over Jeffries in a six or seven very one-sided, bloody rounds. If smaller guys could chop Jeffries up, Tyson would've beaten him to a pulp and stopped him.
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    I think so.. While Tyson never went 15 rounds in his career, he easily went 12 on a few occasions and beat some very large men in fights where the workrate was generally higher than it was in a lot of Jeffries' bouts. Also take into account the damage Jim would be sustaining with his lackluster defense and tendency to get his nose broken, and things would get easier for Tyson as time went on.
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Super middleweight,[ for this fight 172lbs ,]Fitzsimmons cut Jeffries to ribbons in their second fight and he was 39 years old ,he cut him over and below both eyes and broke his nose,granted the gloves were smaller,but one has to wonder what a 45lbs heavier Tyson might have done to Jeff's face? Also does anyone think Fitz was anywhere near Tyson for hand speed?
    I believe Jeffries was marvellously durable,but the description of the second Fitz fight strongly suggests that it would have been a tko stoppage in Fitz's favour had the fight taken place in modern times.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Yes it was the Johnson v Jeffries fight he said he saw.