90s Foreman vs Chris Byrd

I could envision Old Foreman getting the up-scaled MW Byrd, turned partially around and "accidentally"
hit Byrd with that quasi-kidney punch (like Foreman did to one of his "Come-back Era Opponents") and
watch Byrd slowly collapse in pain for a 45 count. Then Old George would go over into his corner and
eat 4-5 hamburgers before the HBO Interview.

 

This reinvention of the 90's Foreman as some serious force is pure revisionism .. Foreman had one big fight in his comeback and that was going 12 courageous rounds against Holyfield, a fight where he might have won three rounds .. his comeback was a brilliantly promoted campaign ... he did not fight Bowe, Lewis, Tyson, Mercer, Ruddock or really any other top rated contender .. he fought a beatable Morrison and Moorer, an inconsistent, blown up light heavyweight with a weak chin .. George was super smart, big, strong, calm and heavy handed but this rebuilding him into some big fighter in the 90's is a joke. Byrd would have defeated him easily by decision ..

 

PLODDER Old Foreman has nothing for Byrd save his jab. This isn't the prime version we are talking about. This is the old version that couldn't cut the ring and needed guys to impale themselves on his jab.

LMAO @ Dino that thinks PLODDER Foreman was some sort of invincible animal. "rolleyes:

 

Terrible post. Truly terrible.

Mike Tyson wanted no part of comeback Foreman. He called him a 'wolf in sheep's clothing'.. He knew how good he was , you obviously don't.

 

Byrd was a plodder . He was a non punching puffed up light heavy who had slow feet over the extra bulk he carried on his tiny frame.
Foreman had excellent footwork. I could call Golovkin a plodder , but i know better. Both are masters of closing the gap.
You don't know anything about this sport.

 

You could make that argument.

 

I honestly think it could go either way. As I mentioned before, George would "most likely" need a knockout to win. But this wasn't unmanageable. Byrd was a decent heavyweight who fought in an era of extremely large men and did fairly well for himself despite. But he wasn't unbeatable for even a slower moving opponent. Chris was brutally stopped early by Ibeacbuchi. He was losing most of the rounds against a one armed Vitali Klitschko, and won some very close and even dubious decisions against some of his better opponents. He was a slick mover with reasonable skill who "might" have outpointed the aged Foreman.. But he wasn't Muhammad Ali or Evander Holyfield by any means. I really don't see any danger of Old Foreman gassing or getting stopped by the light hitting Byrd. In addition, George had a fairly effective cross armed defense, great power, decent jab, and the tendency to give a nasty little gut check in the clinches which over time would slow Chris down.. I think it's a tossup..

 

Good post, good analysis.

 

Vitali clearly had the use of both his arms. There was no 'one armed man' in that ring.

 

Some of your points are valid but I think you're unfairly denying Foreman his due. Michael Moorer wasn't just any blown up "lightheavyweight." He was the undisputed undefeated heavyweight champion of the world. He had been fighting above 200 lbs for close to five years and was a 35-0 professional who had survived the power of Evander Holyfield, Bert Cooper, Alex Stewart and an aged but still dangerous James Smith.. He was southpaw with fast hands and at 28 years old was in the peak of his prime.. Meanwhile Foreman was around 45 and hadn't fought in well over a year.. To take the beating he took and come back to score a knockout win to make history against such an opponent was huge. George also survived a ten year comeback to the near age of 50 without being stopped or badly humiliated by anybody. He also had a few respectable wins over Savarese, Rodriguez, Cooper, Stewart, Coetzer and very likely was robbed in the last fight of his career against Briggs.

 

yes there was, that's why he quit. One arm wasn't working. Same injury happened to me outside the ring long ago, could not even lift my arm up without causing extreme pain and MORE ripping taking place inside my shoulder. This was VERY different from two MINOR rotator cuff injuries which i had earlier and had no problem toughing out and working through. Not all rotator cuff injuries are mild and can be worked through, if the tear is bad enough the shoulder literally will not work. Most likely Vits tore it at one point and then while trying to continue it kept ripping to the point that he gave up worried that he would destroy his shoulder for good.

but that's probably a little to REAL for you to debate unbiasedly isn't it you weasel betwelcher ???

 

Show me. Point to the moment in the fight when his arm went?

 

So why didn't he just fight with one arm? I thought he was already fighting with one arm? Ive seen plenty fighters win fights with one arm after sustaining an injury.
If he was beating Byrd with one arm , why not continue to best him with one arm. There wasn't long left in the fight.

 

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First off, I take him at his word and why? Because he had a rotator cuff surgery after his bout with Byrd. Unless he had the power to control the surgeons to claim he needed a surgery and then pretend to operate on a shoulder that was not INJURED????

Think that's what happened Dino? Don't you think that would be going a little FAR off the point of reality?

Now to answer your question, "show me the point in the fight where his arm went?" The most logical answer would obviously be the POINT in time right before he quit. Like DUH!!!! See what a dingbat you are when you try to debate the Klits Dino? You loose all emotional control and make up and stick to childish points for all your worth.

Now that doesn't mean that it wasn't bothering him 1, 2, 3 or more rounds before it went, but as he was still fighting it obviously hadn't torn or he would of stopped earlier.

I don't even like Vits, Dino, I just don't pull punches for the boxers I like or dislike, unlike you, you weasel fan boy.

Let me guess, you have never had a torn rotator cuff and tried to box with it correct Dino?



I have, seriously, its a gross injury, you try to move your arm and it DOES NOT WORK, think of being in a fight while that was going on???