Why was Marciano's era not strong?

Do You think the public enjoy competative fights? I know real boxing fans like to see competative, real fights and see a knockout as a kind of bonus. The consequence of more competative fights is less blow outs, less guys looking like king Kong.

but I think mainstream sports fans just like to see a big muscular guy beating on a skinny guy with a long neck and thin arms. I dont think they want the personal investment in how boxing works. they just want knockouts and for it it to look good. And there are more sports fans than real boxing fans.

 

I dont want to see Gati v Ward every time. If we did there never would be a champion. Whilst I appreciated the serries, they were breathtaking entertainment, you are not seeing all there is to the art of boxing. It is a martial art after all. Styles develop to get around certain things. The makings of a real master of his art could not develop in Gati v Ward fights. So we need a good balance of more things to appreciate something special like Gati and Ward.

It's no coincidence that a crowd pleaser is often the most base version of fighting. It's the part anybody can understand. A fight.

But since boxing is a business (and the people who understand boxing are a minority) the trade off is to serve up appalling mismatches that entertain the larger audience that only want to see violence.

 

One of my criticisms of boxing is that losses are weighted too heavily. One loss and a boxer is given a black mark period anything can happen in the ring. MMA stronger in this respect. Floyd was so concerned with protecting his 0 that he cherry picked successfully

 

But the reason for this is the money invested in a fighter is invested in order to create an unbeaten King Kong that the wider audience can understand. It's the individual that sells so it's developing a character the wide audience can understand. Unbeaten boxers they understand. Champions they understand. A guy who lost a fight, well that's not king Kong.

MMA however was never about developing an individual. It is already seen as pure violence to the public. They are more a fan of the spectacle of it than say an individual. It matters little who actually wins.

 

Whether it be by Design or by accident they have developed character individuals. In fact some of their older Fighters whose skills are diminished still bring in the wider audiences. UFC has had plenty of missteps but they have successfully created personalities twitch the general public has been drawn EG Conor McGregor, Ronda Rousey, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Chael Sonnen etcetera.

Boxing has a challenge due to the lack of a centralized governing body. There is no long-term investment in the sport by the sport. Instead often Falls to promoters who you would not trust your cat with and who are looking for the short time gain.

By falling into the unblemished record trap boxing creates an ugly cycle in which promising Fighters avoid challenges and otherwise good prospects are not given the benefit to prove themselves due to an off night.

 

This is exactly right. But not only is this "ugly cycle" preventing talented fighters from proving themselves due to an off night. They are prevented from proving themselves full stop! SHW is never going to create a competative division again. A skilled talented fighter is kept away from serious rivals unless a title is at stake. But It's too late then! Like you say, Having lost a challenge the former challenger becomes tainted. And this is without mentioning the distortion that size and experience can be used to neutralise more entertaining techniques than jab and grab. There is an ugly cycle and it could be unbreakable.

 

I don't know, I had hopes that the PBC could turn into something. It doesn't look like that's going to happen. if there was an organization that actually had the long term interest of the sport in mind.I don't think government involvement would be remotely good, besides the fact that boxing is an international sport, governments are often littered with the very people that would see boxing banned .

 

I think a good initial step is to acknowledge the grother and create the super heavyweight division. Also go back to same day weigh ins coupled with hydration requirements which is a whole different discussion . The next step to continue to promote bouts with the quality tainted fighters . This could lead to more active divisions and a better informed fan base . Though even here I have seen people use nonrelevant losses as a black mark on a fighters legacy or even knockdowns as evidence of a fighter's flaws.

 

I go along with all of that. With boxing, Money is invested into winners being winners. Then they are thrown to the lions. If they are lucky they might already be at the PPV stage but that's only a minority.

Superheavyweight should be officially created so that the world can concentrate on cruiserweights by calling them Heavyweights just like it is in the Amateurs

 

Professional boxing has always been a bit of a sham.

 

At its worst it is Tyson v Seldon ,Lamotta v Fox , & the Carnera era .
At its best it is Ali v Frazier,Ward v Gatti, Corrales v Castillo ,Morales v Barrera ,Basilio v Robinson,Lamotta v Robinson, and many, many more..