Who IYO Is The Most Complete Fighter That Ever Lived?

Hopkins at MW was quite complete as well. Could brawl as well as he could box. Good strength, chin, power and speed. Top notch stamina, will to win and boxing brain.

 

It seems everyone tends to speculate on WHY Duran quit.

You speculated that it was because it became clear to Duran that he couldn't stop Leonard from outboxing him, and he suffered from spinelessness and cowardice.

Some people believe Duran was sick.
Some people say it was a fix.

I don't know.

 

Hurt Liston with a hook in the first fight, dropped Ringo hard with it to start his downfall. The right was his money punch, but the hook was in his arsenal and I think it was an underrated weapon for him.

 

I a fighter looks to be losing a fight and quits and can't show any medical reasons afterwards (Duran recanted on his "stomach cramps" as far as I know), the standard explanation for me is that he didn't fancy losing.

Sure, I can't 100% rule out that aliens were involved or whatever, but when there's no reason to believe so I don't.

 

Firstly, Duran did lose. Quitting = Losing. LTKO8

Secondly, it wasn't at all obvious that he was facing a hopeless situation in the fight. That's precisely why this quit job is seen as "the most disgraceful". Precisely why it is so controversial.
The truth is it was so unexplained, or badly explained. And still is to this day. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things.

I have no idea what aliens have to do with this.
If you're likening speculation on a fight being "fixed" with speculation that "aliens were involved" that seems way off the mark.
Crooked stuff exists in professional sports, and boxing is as tainted as any of them. If you don't want to believe so, that's up to you.

 

Why the hell would anyone think the fight could be fixed? In what way would Duran benefit from throwing the fight......

 

That's my thinking as well.

 

That crooked stuff exists doesn't mean that you can always use it as an automatic explanation. There's a long way between that something could hypotethically be the case and it actually being so.

I think Duran has been quoted as saying "I'm not fighting this clown" when he quit. That together within him quitting when clearly being second best but not in any visible distress that could indicate injury suggests frustration with the way the fight was going. Not iron-clad proof, but definitely the most logical explanation from what we know.

 

It's not as though Leonard was exactly being OTT during the fight, only the good Lord and Duran know why he turned yellow belly for that night.....

 

I agree he was as good as he was going to get. I said nothing to the contrary, only alluding that time on top cements a hall of fame status.

I am still in doubt as to the age thing as my 2nd edition of "The Boxing Register" International Hall Of Fame Official Record Book. By James B Roberts and Alexander G Skutt had his birthdate listed as: Born 8/5/1895. Died 11/16/1927. (32)

Also has him listed at 157 total bouts.

 

He did turn yellow belly, though, and there are many great fighters that have shown just as much toughness as he did without having anything like that quit job. So it's inane to call him a warrior among warriors. There are a lot of fighters that have shown insane bravery without ever quitting like that. That was my whole point.

 

Gotta be Ali or robinson

 

Great call, how could i forget him. Quite complete and adaptable.

 

There are plenty of fighters that are well balanced, without any notable flaw, but is what they did with those gifts what matters.
Leonard, Robinson, Tyson, Mayweather (130-140), Ali, DeLa Hoya, Whitaker, Camacho, Jones Jr, Charles, Walcott, Duran, Hopkins, Lopez, Bojado, Hagler, etc... They all possessed speed, power, chin, defense, etc..., but if you can't put that together with training habits, dedication and with the capacity of adapting in the ring, you wouldn't do a damn thing.
IMO though, Sugar Ray Leonard was just perfectly balanced.

 

The way Duran just quit was very unusual behaviour. Unusual behaviour is often result of unusual motives and unusual circumstances.

There's several ways a fighter (any fighter) can benefit from throwing a fight, due to circumstances behind the scenes, money, politics, intrigues etc. But to mention the obvious or to speculate on them would be pointless and just bring more questions and ridicule from all of you who don't have an open mind on such things.

I have no idea why Duran quit. But I do know that many people thought/think there was something strange about it, strange and unexplained, something unreal or fake about the whole affair.