Why does size matter?

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  1. mostobviousalt

    mostobviousalt Active Member banned Full Member

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    You don't think this has anything to do with perspective and how their legs are positioned?

    And if Fitzsimmons was actually 6'2 why does literally every other source list him as 5'11.5?
     
  2. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Fitz's legs are even farther apart than Jeffries from the looks of it. Idk why they list him as 5'11.5 granted I haven't seen too many sources talking about his height, wikipedia and Boxrec the only ones and neither of those are the most credible when it comes to that sort of thing. jeffries doesn't have his legs apart far enough to dwarf him down to 5'9" and Fitz has his legs apart just a far if not farther than Jeffries.
     
  3. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Taking off in a current debate Marciano vs Holmes ,the particular match up shows the importance of size . Here you have a much smaller man but who hits harder vs a faster man of much greater length and weighs more ,better able to absorb a punch ,as well Holmes had a great chin against proven punchers . In the end size usually wins out so the simple and logical answer of is size a huge factor the answer is yes ,all dominant era Heavy Weights had the size advantage barring a handful of fights, with the exception of Marciano who fought mostly guysunder 200 pounds but wasnt a giant himself and Tyson who is not a measuring stick of how smaller guys do because his skills and power are not the average .

    Holmes vs Marciano just one example of a fantasy match up where a 5'10 guy severely struggles to get in close to a 6'3 guy ,looking at many fights that actually happened throughout history most of the time weight won out . In the case of even one of Lennox Lewis's loses he was outweighed by a good margin,put on some pounds and k.od Rahman in the rematch ,of course it had also been Lewis's lack of respecting Rahman as well . One can make the argument that the 210 pound guy will be more active but in the HW division its the heavier ,more deliberate shots that are going to win out ,thats why you dont see 6'3 210 pounders ,you see 6'4 230 plus ones nowadays . Unless Mike Tyson traveled back from the 1980's to now you wont see another 215 /220 pound dominant fighter , Povetkin at around 225 is the best lightest guy and i think at least 5 guys can defeat him . Times change todays bigger fighter doesnt fight like yesterdays sub 200 pounder ,imop boxing is behind in the times and really needs to adjust the Heavy Weight division starting point somehow so lighter guys can go to cruiser weight or take on the giants who roughly take up 90% over 235 in the 50 i believe .
     
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  4. choklab

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    The superheavyweight is here. It is a largely artificial species that bares no real comparisonn to classic boxing history. If you want to see the best man win over "win at any cost" then superheavyweight is not the division it was.
     
  5. mostobviousalt

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    Mike Tyson was neither lighter nor did he fight differently when he trained for 15 rounds.

    Why would the other modern boxers be?
     
  6. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Tyson had a fast,explosive style. There would be no need for him to change anything when it went from 15 to 12 because that just favored him.
     
  7. mostobviousalt

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    So the round limit has nothing to do with weight and style of a fighter.
     
  8. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Wrong.
     
  9. blackhercules

    blackhercules Active Member banned Full Member

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    You know why size matters? Because it does or there would be no weight class. Do you think Floyd Mayweather could beat Sergei Kovalev? If you you are a moron. No matter how skilled Mayweather is Sergei is just way to big. He would walk through anything Mayweather does and smash him.

    You know who doesn't think size matter? People who need to defend their little TV heroes and get upset when you tell them the truth. Like you still see people on this forum who believe no talent 180 pound garbage fighters like Marciano could beat Foreman, Bowe, Lewis, Tyson, Tua, Wlad or Vitali Klitschko, or hell even fighters like Joshua, and Wilder. These people are modern sized 220 plus pound heavyweights and would slaughter any 180 pound fighter who just stood their throwing punches like slow no talent Marciano.

    A smaller guy could beat a guy in boxing. Lets say Holyfield who was probably on steroids. Even though he started his career at 190 he was 6'2 and had quick hands. He used his skill and (steroids) to beat guys bigger than he was.
     
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  10. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This account is obviously an alt.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    How do you explain Pacquaio big an elite WW?
     
  12. Wass1985

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    A good part of his success at that weight was almost certainly down to the gear, he kept the speed and brought up the power through the divisions.
     
  13. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This is mostly true ,but Marciano had his own science to that era,one which wouldn't work today unless he readjusted his actual fighting,but that's a science fiction topic.

    Posters like Reznic and Dago Wop have some kind of size inferiority complex,i say this b/c reznic says he doesn't lift weights is very skinny ( he showed himself) and thinks he like many hits like a Hw ,which is false based on what ive seen.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    But why didn't he continue to weigh in at FW?
     
  15. mostobviousalt

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    Well, Pacman came in the ring at 139 against Morales.
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    He was just a big drainer early in his career.

    But he did gain muscle mass as he went up, which topped during his stay at welterweight.