Luis Ortiz Is the best heavyweight game

so you see a difference? fighting guys like charles martin and dillian whyte compare to savon? please don't be delusional, joshua is the same fighter he always was and a fighter who had skills like savon would make joshua look the same even as a pro, don't be fooled by match making,

if you truly believe that you are delusional

 

aj fans in denial, why is it that hatman boxing who's a big aj fan says the same thing i do then?

 

haha so because someone else sais it you must be right GTFOH you cannot possibly reason that having trouble against a fighter years back as an Am can be a direct comparison to what type of fighter he has developed into as a World Champion....you cannot even acurately define his style traits ffs

 

your in denial, hatman is much more credible and fair than u ever will be and a massive aj fan, yet he has said the exact same thing, joshua a world champion? against who charles martin? who won a vacant belt by injury, come on dude don't be delusional, tell me where joshua has ever faced an opponent anywhere even close to the talent of savon as a pro? I'll wait

 

'#blackheavyweightstodayLMAO'

 

I'm not an AJ fan. How have you reached that conclusion from what I said? I just pointed out a massive flaw in your argument, and that the data you were relying on was outdated. To infer from that, I'm a 'fan' is absurd and, the conclusion of a casual who feels informed because they may have watched a few YouTube clips. Casuals are always outed when they can only see the sport in a tribal context: 'I'm and fan of this fighter, you're a fan of another'. An interest in boxing is not defined this way by connoisseurs of the sport as we employ a more cerebral approach. Grow up, and debate like an adult.

 

Then you should know, you can't say a fighter has improved when his opposition isn't as good as the opposition that previously exposed his flaws, that's absolutely absurd,

Imagine if I got schooled by a top fighter as an amateur, then as a pro I was knocking out lesser opponents even winning a version of a heavyweight title, how would you ever know I improved? you wouldn't unless he faced that opponent again, alot of the top amateurs are much better than the majority of the pros

 

What games that? How to look **** against journeymen?

 

Your moms twat

 

Haha you seriously believe this ****; you are a lost cause

 

That is one of the dumbest posts I have seen in all the years I have been posting on boxing forums - well done

 

I agree, I think AJ is lighter and leaner than Ortiz and has better stamina. Ortiz is quite flat-footed thanks to his weight, vs. Scott he seemed to slow down considerably after round 4-5. I think AJ would destroy him in the later rounds if AJ survived the early onslaught.

 

I think we've already established you know as much about boxing as the casuals who've picked dave allen to ko ortiz lol, you know absolutely nothing

and amateurs? it's a fact the top amateurs are 90% of the time the most skilled boxers, you only need to look throughout history, ali, foreman, frazier, lennox lewis, roy jones jr, klitshchko, sugar ray leonard, the most dominant and the best fighters ever had a good amateur background, and today, it's the same, rigo, loma, ward, kovalev, ortiz, joshua, etc

if your again in denial about that it shows the moron and casual you are, I'll shut you down every single time

 

JESUS SWEET CHRIST?? HAHAHA your not suggesting what i think you are? lol u know absolutely nothing

 

the ortiz here

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watch the first 30 seconds, has footwork levels above any heavyweight and much better than joshua, but it seemed after this ortiz is fighting more flat footed