'TBA' now down to 3 week training camp vs David Haye

Couldn't agree more bbjc, people are clearly letting their feelings get the better of them. Haye is a very dangerous HW and if he was so **** Hearn would have already put him in with Joshua.

 

The other thing is people like to mock david hayes heavyweight cv. But lets be honest get on boxrec and look down any of the heavyweights. Fury. Klitchko. Parker. Joshua. Ortiz. Pulev. Povetkin. Wilder. The top heavyweights today. And with the exeption of furys win against klitchko which people are now putting down to klitchkos age. None of them have far superior records to haye. Their all in the same boat. Klitchkos beat loads of them but no ones pointing at his record and saying 15 top wins for him because theres been a serious lack of depth of quality in the heavyweight division in recent years.

Its starting to hot up now with the young guys coming through. But none of them can say they ve beat 5 top guys for example. You could run through everyones cv and say its not that great. Criticising ruiz etc...he d been competetive in that division for years...a proper heavyweight coming to the end of his rope but still a decent enough win for a former cruiserweight. The win isnt really what made it decent it was how haye won it...he had him up and down like a yo yo. Ruiz lost some but he was rarely treated that way in a fight. Again people start naming names but fail to include what actually happened in the fight. Ruiz never looked a great fighter but he was proven and he did know how to fight effectively.

Not trying to say its the greatest win in the history of the heavyweight division but just trying to put it in perspective.

If haye is a joke...so are most of them at this point in time. You dont have to support him but lets stop kidding on his two opponents hes recently fought were a) the worst fighters the worlds ever seen and b) not about the only standard of opponent he could have faced in his predicament bearing in mind his shows werent making great money to split between them.

Heard hes cut a deal with bt/boxnation...people will start to see some progress now. For a joke lets see how many will get in the ring with him willingly.

 

The Haye-Ruiz fight was April 2010.
It's November 2016 now.

 

Good post. People are very quick to slate Hayes heavyweight record, however compare to the vast majority fighting now it stands up well.

Apart from his 2 comeback fights, every fighter he has fought at heavyweight bar 1 since leaving the cruiserweight division, has fought for a world title prior to the fight. The other was Audley Harrison and even Audley had just won the european title prior to the fight. Also, Hayes opponents he has fought at heavyweight have 45 world title fights between them, the vast majority were won. Was Hayes 2 comeback opponents in De Mori and the 'Cobra' really any worse than AJs 2 world title fight opponents? I seriously doubt it.

It is a shame he has not got a fight again this year, but if you are going to lay blame on anyone then it should be on Tyson Fury, as he was the one who screwed the division up and caused this merry go round and fight chaos.

 

Tyson Fury's actions screwed up Wladimir Klitschko's year, and that's it. (Although Wlad could have fought someone else too, but he got injured he says.)

You'd have to consider Tyson Fury some sort of omnipotent boxing God to think he's influencing Haye's career at this stage.

 

No one considered it a recent win wasnt exactly the argument. Was in response to the people mocking his cv...as if his was way worse than anyone elses out there.

For all the naysayers out there...there still is no evidence that haye is washed up. Infact his last two fights if anything pointed towards him not being. No ones saying the competition was good but they do actually points to him still having a shot more than being washed up. He blew them out in the first and second round. We can criticise the opponents not being great but find it hard to criticise the performance. He couldnt have done any more than he did tbh.

We can maybe suspect it....bearing in mind hes 36 with injury problems in the past. But people that are saying it in a concrete manner have to be working on either a hunch at this point or using their dislike towards him to come to the conclusion.

Even if you take the top guys out the equation for now. Can he still beat a lucas browne a andy ruiz etc. Because thats the standard of guys on the verge of heavyweight world titles.

 

Your post doesn't really change my opinion too much about Haye's HW pedigree, mate, however it did make me think more about it and you obviously do have a point about nobody's HW cv really being that awe inspiring.

 

No, I think the point is, his CV from 4-8 years back was never great enough for it to suggest he's the kind of superior fighter who could be "expected" to carry his prime across so many years of inactivity and injury to afford him such big consideration now. Not even close.
And very few fighters would be firmly in that class. He's nowhere near it, based on his entire HW resume.

Let's say somehow he's miraculously as good as he ever was (and there's no proof of that), that's still not necessarily good enough to beat younger, bigger, 'live' contenders.

It doesn't work like that. If you take 4 or 5 years away, the onus is on the fighter to prove he's not.

Well, I thought he looked to be lacking upper body movement, possibly due to wear and tear, and the added weight.
His hands still looked fast.
But he wasn't tested. At least one of the guys didn't even get hit at the end.
We'd have to see him in a longer fight.

I think mentally he's not what he used to be. I don't think his heart's in boxing like it used to be, and he was always looking for a big payday and get to out young back then too (an admirable career plan, imo), but somehow he needs the money.
I suspect he's looking for a big payday and that's it. I don't think he wants proper tests or fights that require extensive training, I think he's concerned about the injuries too.

This is all credit to him, he's an intelligent man who knows his limits and wants to maximize any second chance he might have. Problem is, it might never happen.

It's probably a hunch, yes.
But it's far less of a hunch than those who are saying he's good enough to beat AJ and Parker etc.
Young hungry heavyweights, big guys, on a roll, with great backing and career momentum.
I'm not saying AJ and Parker are great, maybe they get KO'd by Molina and Ruiz ! The point is, I wouldn't favour Haye, there's no good reason to.

Personally, I think he's unlikely to ever fight a top HW again, so in that sense he's as good as finished.
I might be proved wrong.
But I'm not holding my breath.

Neither of them would make my top 10 currently. And nor would Haye. Yes, he might be the best of that level and possibly still a good notch above.

 

Good post mate. Totally have the opposite opinion of it regarding hayes chances. But still some good points made.

Just hope the haye v joshua fight gets made then we ll get an answer for definate.