Best fighter of each decade not to win a championship

Hannibal Barca · Nov 19, 2016

Thinking about Lucas Matthysse and how he has never won a championship got me to thinking about the best fighters of each decade who were uncrowned, and never would be. Off hand, for 1900-1910 Sam Langford would seem to be a lock. 1940-1949 had Charley Burley, and 1970-1979 had Jimmy Young. Curious of ESB Classic's opinion on the topic.

mostobviousalt · Nov 19, 2016

Sam Langford always seemed like a poor man's Kostya Tzsyu to me

Senya13 · Nov 19, 2016

Sam Langford would be behind Packey McFarland on the list, whether you choose 1900s or 1910s.

bcr · Nov 20, 2016

In the mind of Lucas Matthyse, it's impossible to win a world title (it isn't impossible to beat a world champion tho).

mcvey · Nov 21, 2016

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

For the ninteen-sixties I think it is likely Laszló Papp (while he was actual before three times champion and in it of Europe), from 1911 onwards perhaps Harry Wills, if you don't rate the IBU, then could be Young Stribling named (just as Georges Carpentier, but he was generally recognized as Light-Heavyweight champion), other ones are Gustav Scholz and Oktay Urkal, in the 19. century maybe Peter Jackson, Joey Choyinsky and Charly Mitchel (arguable Jake Killrain and Jack Burke too).

For the last decade can be Khoren Gevor, Rudolf Kraj, Troy Ross, Z Corres, Kingsley Ikeke, Edison Miranda, Dante Jordan, Ian Gardener, Randy Griffin, Matthew Macklin, Mario Veit, Hiroshi Enoki, Mario Santiago, Rey Bautista, Jason Litzau, Isaac Hlatshwo, Vanes Matirosyan, Cristian Navarro, Jose Landeta, Juan Lazcano and Juan Palacios named.
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Which world ranked middleweights did Papp beat to justify you picking him for the 1960's?
Why should he be picked over ?
Hank
Fernandez
Archer
Hayward
Harrington
Duran
Carter
Gonzalez

Papp was ranked for 3 years and never in the top 3.He was no7, in 62 no4 in63, no4 in64.
Miranda was ranked briefly at no3 in 2006, his only top win was over Eastman,every time he stepped up he was beaten.

Bukkake · Nov 21, 2016

Senya13 said: ↑

Sam Langford would be behind Packey McFarland on the list, whether you choose 1900s or 1910s.
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Since we (here on Classic) have determined, that Langford is the GOAT... how can he be behind McFarland on a list of the best boxers never to win a world title?

Unforgiven · Nov 21, 2016

Langford is behind no one.

Senya13 · Nov 21, 2016

Read what absolute majority of sporting writers and boxing people were saying about McFarland and Langford at the time they were fighting, and there'd be no question that McFarland was thought to be a better fighter/boxer than Langford, P4P the best fighter in the world from around 1909 until 1913, something nobody could say about Langford at any stage of his career.

mcvey · Nov 21, 2016

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

I have mentioned this several times, some months ago; for instance Jose Torres, but it was some years earlier (in the ninteen-fifties), while Fernandez wasn't so bad (was almost undefeated), just as two Brits, for example Spider Webb, not sure if he also defeated the French European champion (Huriloux or something similar), but actual was Giardello supposed to have a mandatory defence against the Hungarian (who would have been likely favourite, but wasn't allowed by political reasons), as he was the most skillful middleweight, as I wrote recently, a old school Lomaschenko with more punching-power (superior finishing/ forcing knockouts qualities).

While if Miranda was that high, then he was overrated; he was even knocked down (almost out) against fadded Eastman (who came from two clear defeats); I rate Ikeke slightly higher, Sylvester, Gevor and Krajnc too: He's actual comparable with Asikainen (with better technique, but maybe less toughness and one-punch power). So I had "Pantera Negra" as highest at 9 or 10, in both Middle- and Super-Middleweight.

By the way the one I first forgot, Andre Flannel was easily top 3 (in opposite to Miranda), especially more skillful than his brother (who is possibly the stronger puncher, but slower).
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I want to know which rated professional middleweights Papp beat to justify you ranking him as the best middleweight that did not win the title in the decade beginning 1960 and ending in1970?
Papp was 30 year s old when he beat the 20 years old Torres at 156lbs in the Olympics its totally irrelevant!

Miranda was only rated briefly for a few months his name does not belong here ,neither does Papp's
Papp never even got into the top 3 ranked contenders!

I'm waiting for your list of the rated PROFESSIONAL middleweights Papp beat.

Andre Flannel?

Hannibal Barca · Nov 21, 2016

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

I have mentioned this several times, some months ago; for instance Jose Torres, but it was some years earlier (in the ninteen-fifties), while Fernandez wasn't so bad (was almost undefeated), just as two Brits, for example Spider Webb, not sure if he also defeated the French European champion (Huriloux or something similar), but actual was Giardello supposed to have a mandatory defence against the Hungarian (who would have been likely favourite, but wasn't allowed by political reasons), as he was the most skillful middleweight, as I wrote recently, a old school Lomaschenko with more punching-power (superior finishing/ forcing knockouts qualities).

While if Miranda was that high, then he was overrated; he was even knocked down (almost out) against fadded Eastman (who came from two clear defeats); I rate Ikeke slightly higher, Sylvester, Gevor and Krajnc too: He's actual comparable with Asikainen (with better technique, but maybe less toughness and one-punch power). So I had "Pantera Negra" as highest at 9 or 10, in both Middle- and Super-Middleweight.

By the way the one I first forgot, Andre Flannel was easily top 3 (in opposite to Miranda), especially more skillful than his brother (who is possibly the stronger puncher, but slower). There's also an argument for Stevenson as best one of the ninteen-seventies (though I had there either Zarate, Monzon or Aguello), but he was technical the champion.
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Stevenson is a good shout out. But is it better than a win over a dangerous 70's Foreman, a past it but still serviceable Ali, two Lyle victories and a split decision loss to Norton? I'm not so sure, tough call.

mcvey · Nov 21, 2016

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

I have mentioned this several times, some months ago; for instance Jose Torres, but it was some years earlier (in the ninteen-fifties), while Fernandez wasn't so bad (was almost undefeated), just as two Brits, for example Spider Webb, not sure if he also defeated the French European champion (Huriloux or something similar), but actual was Giardello supposed to have a mandatory defence against the Hungarian (who would have been likely favourite, but wasn't allowed by political reasons), as he was the most skillful middleweight, as I wrote recently, a old school Lomaschenko with more punching-power (superior finishing/ forcing knockouts qualities).

While if Miranda was that high, then he was overrated; he was even knocked down (almost out) against fadded Eastman (who came from two clear defeats); I rate Ikeke slightly higher, Sylvester, Gevor and Krajnc too: He's actual comparable with Asikainen (with better technique, but maybe less toughness and one-punch power). So I had "Pantera Negra" as highest at 9 or 10, in both Middle- and Super-Middleweight.

By the way the one I first forgot, Andre Flannel was easily top 3 (in opposite to Miranda), especially more skillful than his brother (who is possibly the stronger puncher, but slower). There's also an argument for Stevenson as best one of the ninteen-seventies (though I had there either Zarate, Monzon or Aguello), but he was technical the champion.
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Stevenson who?

Unforgiven · Nov 21, 2016

Senya13 said: ↑

Read what absolute majority of sporting writers and boxing people were saying about McFarland and Langford at the time they were fighting, and there'd be no question that McFarland was thought to be a better fighter/boxer than Langford, P4P the best fighter in the world from around 1909 until 1913, something nobody could say about Langford at any stage of his career.
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I think Langford would beat him in a 20 round fight.

Senya13 · Nov 21, 2016

And Tommy Burns would have beaten Joe Gans, Jess Willard would have killed Benny Leonard, so what?

mcvey · Nov 21, 2016

Senya13 said: ↑

And Tommy Burns would have beaten Joe Gans, Jess Willard would have killed Benny Leonard, so what?
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Hard to argue against McFarland.

Unforgiven · Nov 21, 2016

Senya13 said: ↑

And Tommy Burns would have beaten Joe Gans, Jess Willard would have killed Benny Leonard, so what?
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Different weight classes.
Langford was a contender at 140, 142 pounds. McFarland at his best was just a few pounds lighter.

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