Kovalev vs Ward

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  1. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It was a hometown decision. It has happened in the past and it will happen again.
    Of all the round by round scoring combinations that can be achieved from 3 different judges from 3 different vantage points it's obvious and quite convenient all 3 of them pitched a shutout for Ward when Kovalev was on the precipitous of victory once Ward became more competitive. The one judge who mathematically had a round to spare gave Kovalev the 12th when his card was already decided.
    If you look at it logically it's clear the fix was in to Rook Sergey of the belts.
    Dan Rafael, Harold Lederman, Larry Merchant and Roy Jones all respected members of the sport and all with rig side views had Kovalev winning with rounds to spare. That doesn't mean they are correct but it is evidence against the judges.
    Again I watched twice and had 7-5 Kovalev plus a kd. Remember Kovalev out landed the opponent, scored the knockdown, hurt his opponent at least 4x (first round jab, second round kd, 6th round right to ear, 12th round body shot) was never in danger himself. Just because Ward showed heart and fought bravely and better in second half doesn't mean he did enough to win. We all know their are bad judges or alternative means for choosing a winner other than the better man in the ring on any given night.
     
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  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    I agree with this.
    There's definitely a strong whiff of hometown cooking about those scorecards.
    It's fairly transparent, and is to be expected.
     
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  3. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Robert Byrd the referee just tweeted he felt Kovalev won and that the "judges screwed up"
    Wow pretty damning when the referee says that.
    Also Dan Rafael tweeted he re-watched the fight and sticks by his assessment that Kovalev won 7-5 or even 8-4 now and Ward only wins if it's a wrestling match.
    Becoming more clear that it was a dubious decision.
    Kovalev clearly deserved the win. Whether 8-4, 7-5, or 6-6 with the KD.
    To give Ward 7 rounds is blatant bias
     
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  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Technique wise Ward was somewhat scrappy and Kovalev was better than I expected. His timing and sense of distance made Ward more scrappy than usual, even if that is not a totally new element for him.

    Ward was more impressive with how he could deal with adversity. Kovalev showed less of a plan B.

    If there's a rematch, it's going to be very interesting to see if Kovalev can pull out something new. I think he has to.
     
  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well seeing as though Ward daren't leave his house to fight and has the judges in his pocket than Kovalev needs to knock him the fcuk out...
     
  6. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    and you need to go to an optometrist.
     
  7. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Floyd and Ward could not win fights under that system. In addition , they stopped 15 rounders because of injuries / death.
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Ward would do fine at bareknuckles, etc. If you're good at wrestling and don't throw hard enough to break your hands, you'll do alright.
     
  9. Rock0052

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    Ward adjusted well in the latter stages, but Kovalev had the better of it in the championship rounds overall. No single judge giving him the 10th and only one giving him the 12th is where the fix came in. The 12th was a little closer, but the 10th was a clear Kovalev round. But, judges can do math, too. I had no faith in them after the Booker-Perez travesty.

    Ward did well to come back and take some rounds, but the wrong guy won. The boxing media, overall, knows it. Had this fight happened 100 years ago, it'd be a newspaper decision for Kovalev, and rightly so.
     
  10. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    you are a very horrible poster and only say nonsense, NOBODY would say that ward is bigger than Kovalev but an ignorant imbecile
     
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  11. Unforgiven

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    I doubt there will be a rematch.
     
  12. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Because he was the white man?
     
  13. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Kovalev won that fight 8 rds to 4.
    Plus knockdown point.
    This fight was so easy to score i dont know how they f#cked it up.
    Maybe next time u have adleast 1 non american judge and a non american ref.
    This call was worse than Leonard Hagler in my book.
    You can make a case for Leonard but theres no case for Ward.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Ward UD12 Kovalev

    Ward wants to slip in a jab to the body early while dropping back when Kovalev works. You can see why that might not work with Kovalev's right over the top and excellent footwork. Kovalev's head movement looks good early but he wants to wait a bit. Kovalev jabs Ward back onto his heels and that's the big power clue. Ward is missing with his own right over the top; that's bad, obviously, but a bit of a disaster here, and on the minute mark Kovalev drops over a straight combo. Ward's problem here is that he needs to be dialled in because Kovalev is boxing him on a postage stamp, very accurate - this is very hard to counter, this offence. The story of the first is Kovalev sticking Ward on the end of his straight-punches, mainly the jab, a disaster.

    The right hand that drops Ward in the second is the final warning and the arc of the fight suggest Ward heeds it. Ward starts the third rough-housing, which is perfect, but the referee is all over it which is a good thing for Kovalev. Ward is back to the jab, but ships another small portion of straight punches. Ward lands his first really good jab off lateral movement and comes in square, gloves up. I'm surprised Kovalev allows this, he should be a little more active IMO. Ward lands a sneaky little left hook best punch of the round; evens up the round - Ward is making him miss now, too, but he does land a clipping little right hand on the way in and they exchange in the wrestle. Even round under any civilised scoring system but if you have to give it, you give it to Kovalev.

    Ward is wrestling, keeping his head hard, making it mucky. Very good strategy. Ward's mixing up to mid-range when they exchange, slipping, ducking, moving, is upsetting Kovalev's rhythm but he's not bringing an awful lot back. I like Ward's messy strategy, but he needs to land more, nice little uppercut for Kovalev at 1:10 as Ward comes in, but generally he is missing with these punches. Kovalev needs a bit more activity, Ward needs to dial in a single shot in order to make progress. This is another Kovalev round, based upon a jabbing combination with 15 seconds remaining.

    Ward has stopped the momentum though and a sneaky bodyshot as Kovalev is going away probably puts him up in a round for the first time; Kovalev evens it up with a hook and Ward re-takes a lead with a hook of his own, but a nice jab-right combo puts Kovalev up again. Ward lands a bodyshot in the clinch; Kovalev jabs him back with fort seconds left, Ward lands a right over the top to perhaps sneak him in front? Jab to the body from Ward...i'll give him that frame. But he's 4-1 down after five with the KD.

    Six is huge. Ward opens with a decent bodyshot. Ward is trying to reintrodce the jab to the body with more success he's dialled in his lean now, can perhaps stay away from the counter-right. Ward is trying to control the distance, he understands, i think, the meaning of each distance he's just having problems inflicting himself on Kovalev. Nothing in it with 1:15 remaining. Kovalev looks prepared to be bamboozled. He's not being, but he looks ready to be. I think Kovalev barely shaded that round, but he's had two desperately close rounds go his way on my cards.

    Ward clearly takes the seventh mixing up the minor successes from the early rounds, a couple of very quick jabs and a nice bodyshot. This is what I expected to see if Ward was to do well.

    Ward now knows where Kovalev is. But Kovalev is landing at about the same rate as he was early in the 8th; so now we are balancing their offence. I'd give it to Ward on the strength of the bodywork, but it's another even round really. I wish i could give even rounds.

    Kovalev is now trying to feint in with edging footwork and Ward is not buying that. He's landing jabs, he's landing to the body, Kovalev looks a little disorganised. Great punches from Ward. Kovalev is still landing prodding jabs and the occasional rights, but Ward is outlanding him. Kovalev wants to sneak in, what is that? Ward round - first Ward round that's a big Ward round. It's 5-4.

    Ward lands a few good jabs in ten. He's looking a little more willing, that blip seems to be over. THat's a nice uppercut to the torso with Ward coming in. Another, to the beltline. Ward jabs. Kovalev jabs. They are sort of trying to edge each otehr, that's Ward's game but Kovalev is good enough to have his successes - and those early rounds...Kovalev looks a little tired, his hands are low and he gets hit with a sneak counter on his way in. With a minute left I have Kovalev clearly ahead but Ward is in the round. So it goes.

    Ward needs a KD for me going into the eleventh. They are squabbling, nobody is prepared to take the ultimate chance. They need 15. They really need 15 these two. A sharp left hook on 2 mins remaining puts Ward in front. Kovalev is feinting in and then allowing Ward to dip without throwing a punch. Good jabs from Ward. Kovalev misses a flurry but it's good that he's throwing. Double left banks the round for Ward but Kovalev chases him down in the final forty seconds, he then stumbles in front of Ward. He's the more tired of the two.

    Ward opens, again, with a good hook, Kovalev evens it up with a pair of nice little short punches at mid-range. They wswap left hooks. Ward jabs and hooks upstairs, they swap jabs. I have Ward ahead by a jab at the 2:00 remaining mark. Ward is ready to dog up close, Kovalev is tired, but as Roy puts it, he's not backing down. Lead right from Ward. He's sneaking in front. Kovalev evens it up with a bodyshot of his own, things are even. Just before Kovalev lands a low blow, Ward lands a jab. Kovalev lands a jab and it's even, Ward lands a hook with thirty seconds left...Ward slips some punches on the ropes. If Ward had got his **** together even a round earlier he'd have been ok. But this is Kovalev for me.

    WARD:5,7,8,9,11,12
    KOVALEV:1,2*,3,4,6,10,

    So I have it to Kovalev by the KD, by a point. I think you can find seven rounds for Ward, but it's tough. In the end, Kovalev was tiring, Ward was very brave, i've no real problem with the result. I think the judge's cards were OK.

    *Ward down.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Same score as me and ,I've no argument either.