Andre SOG Ward Rips into Kovalev, HARD.

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    The Fury fight wasn't as close as this fight. Fury clearly beat Wlad no doubt, big difference there.
     
  2. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    I meant Wlad lost and I am not complaining about it.
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I know Wlad did the fight wasn't that close so I know you're not going to complain about that. Kovalev-Ward was close
     
  4. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    "to simply survive the fight land sporadically"

    I completely disagree with this. Remember, Kovalev only landed 10 more punches, but he wasn't sporadic? I think people are just discounting Ward's work because he doesn't have as much pop as Kovalev. Judges don't score with stats and neither should we.

    "Ward never had Kovalev in any trouble, Kova on the other hand did"

    And Kovalev won those rounds, obviously. You guys keep pointing out instances of Kovalev's work. Did Kovalev hurt Ward a few times? Yes. Did he ultimately do more damage? Yes. And he received credit for those, but you can't erase a combo or two from Ward because Kovalev lands a hard jab. Kovalev did great work, I'm not discounting anything he did, I just feel Ward stole more rounds.

    The reason I don't score entirely on damage done is because that creates an unfair advantage to power punchers. That means the power puncher has a handicap going in and has to do less work to win the fight. Another note, I don't agree with the punch stats. When I watched it on the replay, they noted that Ward only landed 7 TOTAL punches through 4 rounds, that's bogus lol. Stats don't tell the whole story.

    My brother in law is what we call a "casual", he always favors the bigger puncher. And often times after a fight where the winner was dropped he says "How did he win the fight? He was knocked down and hurt a lot." Remember, Ward won on POINTS, not damage.
     
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  5. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Also, when they say "the champ gets the benefit of the doubt" that just goes to show they agree it was a close fight. They're creating handicaps for Kovalev with two things: 1) he's the champ and 2) his punches did more damage.

    I'm trying to recall other fights where this happened... Take Pacquiao-Bradley 1, obviously Pac won but you had guys making it sounds like Pac shut him out and completely discard Bradley's work because he lacks power. That fight was close, hardly a shutout, but still a robbery. Another example is Lara-Canelo, people who say Lara lost because all he did was run, Canelo landed the more telling shots, etc.

    Boxers, "slick" or "crafty" that lack power, often don't get credit for the work they do. Everyone is so focused on power. People act like Kovalev's knockdown in round 2 won him the fight.
     
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  6. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I had Fury winning by a wide margin, can't remember my score exactly but I think it was 118-110 Fury. Wide score, close rounds, Fury kind of won by default imo because Wlad didn't do ****.
     
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  7. lepinthehood

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    115-112 is 3 points rofl.

    kovalev tapped that ass, the world knows that.
     
  8. mirkofilipovic

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    80 percent of mainstream western media scored it for Kovalev, This includes other fighters and boxing gurus. Ward fans are simply upset and trying to justify this decision hence multiple threads are being made about it, being a Ward fan does not signify you know more than all others, that is ridiculous and you know it. The stats show a good gauge on how the fight went, Ward was NOT effective, more precise? Yes, but precision is one aspect of boxing, Ward was visibly shaken throughout the fight, he never Had Kovalev in any trouble, Kovalev landed many more meaningful shots than Ward, backpedalling-pottshoting and clinching is not going to win you fights. Wards idea of fightinh involved throwing sporadic combos, throwing one punch and then clinching? That is not impressive at all. Everytime Mayweather wins a fight he is ahead on all criteria or at least 3/2 in punch stats, jabs, power shots and landed punches, it is a good measurement on how the fight went, Kovalev did better than what the stats indicate as well, if you think Ward won that is cool, to each his own. Some people truly feel Bradley beat Pacman in their first encounter as well.
     
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  9. Manfred

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    You gents are cranking down hard on Ward because he did not and does not conform to the script that you and the Kovalev's team have written for him. He is his own man and he will not bow down and he won't submit. What he will do is get back up if you knock him down and light into yo ass like a tornado full of baseballs. He will make you doubt what you've been told and reject the evidence of your own mind. Ask Kovalev, he was told that he was the krusher and no man could stand up to his power and when Ward proved that to be false he rejected it and continued with the same losing game plan. When you gents said that Ward wouldn't even show up, he showed up. When you thought that he wouldn't get up, he got up. When you said he wouldn't win, guess what, he won. Now you're saying that he won't rematch, he will. You say he won't win the rematch, check this out, I'm putting my money on Ward because you gents are batting zero.
     
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  10. lepinthehood

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    no he lost, and alot of gents like me knew ward would take the fight, hes a fighting man and has much respect from himself and in the boxing fraternity. but he lost the fight and now has the champions belts from a robbery.
     
  11. mirkofilipovic

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    Would you guys bet on Ward winning in Russia with a Russian referee and judges?
     
  12. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    On my card, Kovalev's work was negated by round 9ish. The 12th round was pivotal and extremely close, I gave it to Ward because he punctuated the round and closed it.
     
  13. alexthegreatmc

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    tldr

    there's more threads crying robbery man, keep crying. Who cares
     
  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Why wouldn't anyone? I had him winning because I think so, not because of the judges. Which is why my rounds differ from the judges. I think he'd win in Russia with Russian judges as well. But why would they fight there? Kovalev doesn't even fight there lol
     
  15. Manfred

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    They fooled me, cause I was thinking the winner gets all the belts and being that Ward was given all the belts, I thought he won. Now you're telling me that he lost and I'm confused, Don't get wrong. I know you know because you were one of the judges right? How does that work?