Ali's Anchor Punch - Question.

At the 14-minute mark Liston discusses what was going on from his perspective.

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There's no reason to make it any more complicated. At this point I can't tell who's arguing what. Save the Bruce Lee Five Finger Death Punches and the driveway battle royales for the Funny Pages

 

I realize that size is not an issue. I'm referring to the mind-numbing thread asking the question, "why does size matter?"

 

That's the other thread. And Listons point at 14 minutes reinforces ALL my points about the punch ,you are only complicating the thread yourself by bringing in size matters here, thats not the thread topic..if you need material for the cartoon section please read the post after mine ! lol

And don't make it sound as if I talk shyte bc Ali said himself the punch is related to martial arts, please do your research before belittling someone otherwise like Rezzie and Mcvain you lose credibility when one such as myself actually SHOWS referances/vids and documents along with my OWN experiance on the subject which they chose to ignore just to post B.s about it.!

 

Old man and can't even type better than a 5th grader.
You're even bad at ripping content from other sites.

Too many hits to the head in your failed boxing career?
Damn, shoulda been a doctor maybe? Too late....

All you have left are your little insignificant martial arts ceremonies
Old man tryna be Bruce Lee. **** outta here lmao

 

I am going to try keep this simple for you. I referenced the "Why does size matter" thread as an example of another thread that has gone off the rails. No one else is confused by this reference.

Ali seemingly admitted the lore of the anchor punch was fictional . Perhaps he doesn't want to dishonour Sensei Stepanfetchit or perhaps he was just great throwing punches from different angles and maximizing their impact and effect. Boxing has been referred to as a martial art. Just maybe Ali was an expert striker. You keep referring to having some sort of insider knowledge without ever actually saying it. If you have some story about always sitting at the feet of a great master or spending time in some remote dojo please share.

Keep in mind, I acknowledged at this point I don't know who was saying what because of the thread becoming so convoluted so you have no real reason to take it personally. However, if you wish for your opinions or insights to be respected perhaps not going down the road of engaging in hypothetical driveway battles or being rude may be the better course.

 

Ali was so convinced by the "anchor punch" that he immediately gestured to Liston to get up yelling "get up ya bum".

 

Its irrefutable and undeniabole

In the video at the post fight conference Ali says he said to Liston ,"get up!"
It's irrefutable and undeniable. Your avatar says you are 23 yet you said you were at the fight? You must have been in your Fathers ball sack!lol

I never denied,or implied the punch did not land show any post of mine where I say it didn't. Then learn to read properly numb nuts! You've been here a few weeks and everyone thinks you're a pompous clown,and they are f*cking right!

 

QUOTE="GALVATRON, post: 18279521, member: 115453"]Whatever kid, just let me know when you post another video , so I can invite friends over for comedy night.

JoeDrogan420
Striking Essentials
2/20/13
Unlocking the Secrets of the “Anchor Punch”
You probably have heard about a secret punch, mystical in nature and esoteric in its technique. It likely brings up memories of Muhammad Ali’s famous KO of Sonny Liston. (

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) Here’s Ali eloquently explaining the punch, pointing out how quick the punch is and how hard it is to see coming. What’s so mysterious, and surprising, about this punch is that even after watching it, and even after hearing Ali describe it, it still has eluded mainstream striking. No one seems to quite to be able to figure it out; the technique seems to be just too advanced. But with a little training, and a keen eye, this technique can easily be understood and implemented into one’s striking arsenal. Hell, even Nick Diaz has thrown a variation of the “Anchor Punch” (@2:00 of

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). Even more surprising is that Juan Manuel Marquez recent devastating KO of Manny Pacquaio came from the “Anchor Punch” as well. Here’s Marquez practicing the punch in sparring prior to the 4th bout: (

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).
So, what’s so special about the anchor punch? Well, as mentioned above, the first two obvious things about this punch are the speed at which it comes, and how hard it is to see coming. The next thing to realize is how devastating the power of the punch itself is. The best way for people to understand this, is to practice the punch themselves. To those wondering the proper technique for throwing this punch, well it’s called the “Anchor punch” for a reason. Eeveryone know the shape of an anchor. You know like the one tattooed on Pop-eye’s forearm? That “C” motion is what I’m talking about. When this punch is thrown it has the same mechanics of a right straight, but the arm is thrown in a C motion as if you were shooting an anchor directly at someone’s chin and your arm was to follow the outermost curve of the anchor. So the arm, shoulder, and hips are torqued back prior to the right straight, then begin to come up into the upper arc of the C, then drop down and curve throughout the rest of the anchor motion. The punch turns the hips over and really turns the shoulders over as well, giving the punch the devastating KO power we see.
The reason it is so quick is because it’s almost reflexive in how it uses your muscles. Once you get the motion down, the torque generated just drives more force and speed into the shot. Also the angle the punch comes from is incredibly hard to see. The punch gets there right as the opponent notices that it’s coming, giving even the most adept in head movement no time to get out of the way. This punch is a counterpunch and the angle of the punch coming down just seems to land right on the button every time.

So what’s so mysterious and why do we see it demonstrated in such diverse variations a la Nick Diaz vs. Ali vs. Marquez vs. Anderson, etc.? Well, that all comes down to fighting style, physical attributes, and technique. Nick Diaz, who I’m not even sure knew he was throwing an anchor punch, set up the shot by going into a shell with his lead left arm shielding his face and his right arm below shielding his body. From this shell Diaz throws a jab, stepping in at the same time. He then throws the right hand in an arching motion in between that of a hook and straight, put the punch still curves downward in the anchor motion.

Next up, we can look at Ali, a master of head movement and footwork. Ali, who loved to float like a butterfly with his footwork and sting like a bee with his counterpunching, simply stepped back out of range of Liston’s jab then threw the counter anchor punch right over top. What makes Ali’s KO so memorable is his unbridled self-confidence in his striking, head movement, and footwork. He allows Liston to get inside to setup the punch, but is so confident in his head movement to setup the counter he allows Liston to take a further step in and throw the jab. Ali instantly recoils, torqueing his right hand, then delivers the infamous shot.
Marquez, a tight, technical boxer, landed his anchor punch by baiting an aggressive Pacquaio in, who tried to pursue with his jab. Marquez, craftily prepared, slipped to the outside of the jab and threw the anchor counterpunch over top. This is probably my favorite variation just due to the sheer tightness of technique and the devastating effects of the punch, not just the knockout but what it meant to the boxing world as well.

So, finding which variation matches your fighting style is what is most important in learning to throw this punch most effectively. Offensive fighters like Diaz will wade their way in with a shell. Add power to the shot by stepping in with a jab, then deliver the rear hand counter overtop to the unsuspecting opponent. Defensive minded fighters like Ali and Floyd Mayweather Jr. to setup the strike, in a very similar setup to Floyd’s lead right actually, would back away, deflect, or parry, a strike with their lead hand/arm, or slip a punch and then counter with the rear hand. Not only is this strike effective defensively and offensively, learning its technique will help you understand other important principles of boxing. The most pressing being that you setup your punches with your footwork, and that technique is ingrained in muscle memory. The best of the best practice the best techniques day in and day out, then on fight day all they have to do is get in the ring and let their reflexes take over.

This punch is certainly a favorite of mine, and should be implemented into your arsenal. I know I’d love to see some more anchor punches thrown in MMA, and not just from MMA’s two best boxers in: Nick Diaz and Anderson Silva.

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2/20/13 5:53 PM

"After the fight, Ali claimed the blow was Jack Johnson’s secret anchor punch that actor Stepin Fetchit had taught him. “It’s a chop, so fast you can’t see it,” he said. “It’s karate. It’s got a twist to it. Just one does the job.” No mention of Karate aye?

And the real funny thing is I know FIRST hand about Ali and this punch by my Karate lineage has that not even writers have,knowlede you never will have...lol Unfortunalty the Ali vid is blocked ,but no matter you still play the fool.[/QUOTE]
Immediately after the fight Ali was asked which punch dropped Liston and he replied," it was either a right cross or a left hook".Its on the video I posted! He didn't even know what had put Liston down!

Another slant on what Ali shouted to the floored Liston.

"I scream down at him; Get up off that floor,Sonny!
Come on this thing ain't even started yet.Get up and fight ! You're supposed to be so bad!"
Muhammad Ali 1976 ."The Greatest My Own Story" page 118 .

Ali sure wasn't convinced was he.lol
Want another "source" ? You were screaming for them a while ago!

"so are you going to supply us with a source for the Ali quote on the ( Ali anchor Punch thread ) you ran off and forgot??? Or do you have special privilages to post FAKE quoutes with NO source and then TRY and make legit ones others post not valid ???

"Get up you bum ,no one will believe this!" Ali to Liston. According to Mcliar! Though he DID get up. lol"

Here it is!

"Liston toppled over flat on his back.Muhammad now stood over the fallen Liston,screaming Get up and fight sucker....get up and fight,you bum,You're supposed to be so bad...Nobody with believe this!"

Angelo Dundee "My View From The Corner" page 113.!
That's video evidence and both Ali and his Trainer. Good enough for you?No? Here's another !
Ali was as sceptical as his public,and he stood over Liston in disbelief.He waved him up with his gloved hand and snarled at him repeatedly :
"Get up you bum! No one will believe this!".
Dr Ferdie Pacheco M.D " The Fight Doctor" page 73!
So that's Ali himself on video , his trainer, and his personal doctor and cornerman!
I'd say those will do for primary sources!LOL



Found any references to an Anchor Punch in any Jack Johnson book?

No? You wont either!lol
Don't you feel a right c*nt now!LOL
You sad clown!

 

I believe I've heard of this Galvatron fella as a martial arts specialist.
He was very well known and everyone referred to him as "The Artist"
Mainly because he was never off the canvas.

 

Does he rent advertising on the soles of his feet? lol

 

LOL. Apparently he also used to suffer a lot from broken hands.
Not because of hard hitting, but because the referee was always standing on them.

 

QUOTE="Cecil, post: 18280359, member: 110250"]LOL. Apparently he also used to suffer a lot from broken hands.
Not because of hard hitting, but because the referee was always standing on them.[/QUOTE]
He's sure took a beating on this thread!

 

And never employed it again!LOL

 

The time keeper counted to 12.

 

I've now posted three primary sources that prove he did! Ali himself ,Dundee, & Pacheco.