Boxing knowledge seems to have regressed

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Glassbrain, Dec 11, 2016.

  1. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Some examples of this;

    Joshua KO'd Molina in 3 and Wilder struggled so therefor Joshua would KO Wilder.

    Pulev beat Chisora easier than Whyte, whyte did ok against joshua so therefor Pulev beats Joshua.

    Is this serious? We are forgetting boxings golden rule, styles make fights. Just because boxer A beats boxer C, and boxer C beats boxer B doesn;t mean A beats B. That's not how this works.

    A great example I saw at the weekend, Callum Smith fought Luke Blackledge, a fighter that was KO'D in 1 round by Rocky Fielding. Fielding was KO'd in 1 by Smith yet Blackledge took Smith into the later rounds. What matters in boxing is what happens on the night and what our eyes tell us how their styles will match up, not how they performed against mutual opponents.
     
  2. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They are being serious but we are in that era where these fallacies are the order of the day. People are proud and ignorant about ****.
     
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  3. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Exactly. Other factors which come into play are: length of camp/notice to fight, injury (in training for a fight or the fight itself), illness, lack of sparring partners, quality of sparring partners, personal issues etc etc. There's so much we don't see behind every fight, making these comparisons merely an interesting aside rather than anything insightful...
     
  4. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder ability ( or lack of ) to take Joshua's power is the coefficient in that equasion Lol
     
  5. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're completely right, but part of the problem is that so few top matchups are being made that we sort of have to resort to common opponents to guess who would win.
     
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    Juan Manuel Marquez drinks pee therefore it's safe. Floyd is one thirsty dehydrated dude there should IV pee.
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    What matters is this, thus far Anthony Joshua has faced NO ONE of note, all of his opponents have been tailor made for him, the only guy with a few intangibles he's faced to this point is Whyte and he almost KO'd him. Breazeale, Molina, Martin, Cornish have all been there to be hit.

    He's faced targets, where are the pressure fighters, skilled aggressive southpaws, counter punchers, swarmers etc.?

    He is a one two plodder who needs to set his feet to get off his punches, what match has he fought that's prepared him for someone like Fury with his constant feinting, lateral movement, sound defense, use of angles, or Haye with his herky jerky movement, weird angles, head movement, unorthodox defense and ambush style, or Wlad who feasts on rudimentary by the numbers guys like AJ, his chin is always protected, his parrying of shots, his counter clinch rhythm disrupting style, or Pulev, who wouldn't fight the same fight he fought against Wlad, his superior jab, his superior defense, his use of clinches would also prove problematic for AJ. Wilder's constant movement, reach, fluidity, jab, angles all problems for AJ. Ortiz's southpaw stance, defense, aggression etc. Nothing he's been in the ring with has served to enhance any aspect of his game that he can employ against the top guys in the division.

    Everyone he's faced would be steamrolled by the guys I just mentioned as well, only thing we've seen so far is that AJ has power, but most of the guys I just mentioned are pretty damn good at neutralizing fighters and taking their primary tools away from them. Styles make fights, and so far AJ has fought nothing but styles that accentuate his positives, and sweep his negatives under the carpet, and that will come back to bite him in the ass when he steps up.
     
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  8. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Yes and no. What is overlooked is the fact that AJ has power and his skillset has improved with every fight. He switches up his punch combination from the standard 1,2 he would throw for 8 fights straight to throwing uppercuts in the mix. The same fighter that AJ is,Kell Brook is, and I hated it until the fight comes and they prove me wrong every time.
    I'm done fighting it. Until AJ is beaten soundly, he is the King of the HW jungle. I see no one stopping him, not Wilder, Povetkin, Wlad, Fury....No One!!! He is the Juggernaut!

    He trains religiously
    His punch variation improves every fight
    He is never out of shape in the off time
    He is not a (known) drug user
    He is not an alcoholic
    He is rich but it has not corrupted him

    He is everything a real Champion is suppose to be!!
     
  9. nurological

    nurological Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its the matchroom way though. Fight nobodies then make a huge jump in class and hope for the best or spin the defeat into a moral victory/robbery.
     
  10. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Did CST really just praise the 'fluidity' of Wilder?
     
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  11. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Apart from this not being a specific Joshua thread, I'm going to focus on these parts regardless. So it's easy to say "why isn't he fighting x", feasibly which of these higher level guys could he have actually fought? Pulev was offered the fight but turned it down, Haye represents the biggest challenge for Joshua and yet he's fighting cruiserweight Bellew. That leaves Ortiz, who simply isn't yet marketable enough and hasn't particularly been impressive himself his last 2 outings. I don't understand your complaints, his next fight is against Klitschko in what will be his 19th pro fight, can't really step up more than that can he?
     
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  12. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    IDKSAB however most of us with some knowledge, as myself, realize the old myth of fighter A beat B and then fighter C struggled with B so fighter A can KO fighter C which is just all rubbish as you pointed out bro.
     
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    blackhercules Active Member banned Full Member

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    Right yet you think Joshua can handle Wilder's power? Typical moron logic.
     
  14. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    And this is a list that few ever pay attention too.
     
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  15. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks for giving some of the most basic common sense in sports, especially fighting. how these simple rules of law fly right over most people's head's is beyond reason
     
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