Was Jack Dempsey The Dirtiest Heavyweight Champion?

He does look bad on film for sure.

 

Please do.

 

One word- Greb

 

True, but if we could do a cherry picked version of Greb, he would win without a doubt, he would make Dempsey look like a piker. But alas we cant cos nobody thought enough to film Greb.

 

Dempsey might well make the "top 10 most dirty" heavyweights, or top 3 or 5 even, but it's hard to say exactly. Most the great ones were exceptionally rough by normal standards, I guess it comes with having a winner's mentality.
Marciano, Ali, Tyson, Lewis, Foreman and Holyfield would give anyone a run for the money, not to mention Riddick Bowe !

I don't know who made the video but perhaps they could shed light on the question I put earlier, about the legality or illegality of the kidney and/or rabbit punches ..... were these banned in Dempsey's fights as the video suggests ?

 

Yes Greb also used his head, laces, forearrms, low punches, thumbs and o so many other dirty tactics he coulda schooled Dempsey on the fine art of fighting dirty fighting

 

Complete gibberish.

Punches on the beltline were legit punches. If you draw a line adjoining Sharkeys hip bones the two blows you can see are completely legit. There is no indication that the final blow was any different.

Your contention that these three blows hit Sharkeys balls illustrates quite obviously your constant need to distort and cherrypick.

If that is not evidence enough the doctor assigned to the fight checked Sharkeys groin and stated there was no evidence of a low blow being struck.

Sharkeys comments in the 1950's regarding this bout:

"I never thought anyone could hit that hard"

Then when asked who hit harder Dempsey or Louis he stated that Louis was a better combo hitter but punch for punch Dempsey hit harder concluding:

"When Dempsey hit you in the shoulder he broke your shoulder, if he hit you in the stomach it felt as if his fist came out your back, if he hit you on the hip he dislocated your hip"

If a puncher like Dempsey strikes any fighter in the balls as you state one would see a visible effect. Why no visible evidence? None of those three punches hit Sharkey anywhere near his balls.

Keep cherry picking! Hope the inside of that townhouse of yours is nicer than the outside!

 

klompton2 I dont need headlines to tell me what I can watch.

Nobody is telling you what to watch, why do you always jump on something, that doesnt go along with your storyline? He just mentioned that headline, whats wrong with that???

klompton2- Dempsey was the money fighter in that fight, not Sharkey, and Rickard who was paying off reporters promoted that fight to give Dempsey legitimacy for a rematch with Tunney after being dominated the first time.

POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS
Pointing out the obvious, Dempsey was the money guy in the fight, duh really! FYI, you musta forgot Sharkey earned his shot, by KTFO of an old tired Wills, had won 13 straight and was a legitimate challenge.

klompton2- and Rickard who was paying off reporters promoted that fight to give Dempsey legitimacy for a rematch with Tunney after being dominated the first time.

Here is spinning at its finest First, Rickard had alot of the scribes on the payroll before and after, and every promoter since. Dempsey didnt need propping up, he was Dempsey, the man who was involved in how many million dollar gates. Why you skip the fact that the legitimacy was in winning the Sharkey fight, Sharkey was a legit guy. Please tell us o wise one how long was Dempsey sitting on his a ss before the Tunney fight? Vs an active boxer puncher in his prime who moved and who knew better then to stand still for too long. This is a perfect example of your cherry picking the facts, you fail to give the facts that dont suit you.

klompton2- Anyone watching those clips can tell you those punches were low. Jesus Christ you can see his trunks pop up after Dempsey hits the cup.

Maybe to you since you have the only pristine copy of the fight lol. The punch has been discussed ever since what I saw was most of those shots were on the beltline. Somebody posted a vid of the fight showing a different POV, but of course it doesnt suit your storyline.

 

klompton2- Hes just one dimensional.
Could be, but that was his style and he had great success with it

klompton2- He has a legitimately all time great right hand but his entire game based on that one punch and he telegraphs it every time he throws it.

I beg to differ, Carps right hand was fast and had excellent kick, he doesnt telegraph it he whips it in.

klompton2- He does the same thing over and over and over. Stick out a jab, lunge in with the right hand, clinch, wait for the ref to break, wipe off his gloves on his trunks and repeat. You can see him doing that in 1912, 1913, 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924. We have more footage on Carpentier than any other fighter from that era so we can judge him pretty good.

Let's see he had 113 fights, won-91, scoring 60ko's, fought some pretty good guys from flywt to HW, lost 14, and had 6 draws. That's pretty darn good for, as you claim a one dimensional fighter who telegraphed his punches.

 

Now here is a dumb comment, I didnt claim he was, all I said is Greb was an a dirty fighter, who knew all the tricks. Are you saying you made this thread to innocently to point out Dempsey was a dirty fighter, please you had an agenda which you cant deny, thus Greb

 

"Dr William Walker, the boxing commissions official physician, examined Sharkey in his dressing room after the fight. He found no evidence of injury or a foul blow."

"Motion picture operators and laboratory men who developed the film of the bout stated today that the film shows the disputed blows were fair"

"Sharkey used his old habit of wearing his trunks high to protect his body from Dempseys blows. The body punches appeared below the beltline of Sharkeys high trunks but were fair."