W. Klitchko vs Muhammed Ali The Definitive Break Down

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  1. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Klitchko vs Ali



    Summary

    In this match up It would be very difficult for Ali to overcome. Ali's style doesn't even play a problem for Wlad , because aggressive hook punchers are what would take to defeat him with Steward ,not tall straight punchers ,who didn't have one punch k.o power . Wlad would simply take control of the fight and start doing his one two combo and jab /hook which would k.o Ali , and he would welcome it with the back pedaling hands down style that Ali liked.



    " Wlad Klitchko has the perfect right hand ive ever seen in the history of boxing" E.Steward in 2001 before he was even his trainer.



    Ali will not out box a better ,smarter guy who he never encountered like Wlad . Yes Ali has a chance to out slick him but where is the out slicking going to take place? Wlad easily a 4 to 1 favored here...I would have him 7 to 1.


    The Speed Factor


    The difference in speed is miniscule between Wlad and Ali ,though if you really watch ,you would see Wlads single punches are blazingly fast for a 240 plus guy,add in the reach and it becomes that more difficult to Ali to land first, Klitchko's punch would have to travel less distance , he's also a better measure at where his target is and is more accurate

    The big difference is in power ,and that's what gives the clear edge to Wlad here ,you also have Wlad as the better jabber ,so right there the fight is over if Ali fails to take control of that battle. Foreman barely hit Ali to the head with solid shots ,this would not be the case for Wlad the much better talent. some say Ali would be untouchable which is false,looking at film one would see that claim to be actually absurd.



    Haye and Wlad are faster than Ali at a true Hw weight scale( REAL MODERN WEIGHT )...if anyone thinks a 215 or below Ali defeats Wlad they are way off...Haye would be an even fight as he would be the first 6'3 guy to match speed with him , and hes also a power puncher as well who throws in combos and has better defense..Ali may have chin but its far from a mismatch as ppl wish to believe . Haye would not be a statue like most Ali fought. Foreman lacked speed and defense,stamina,ring smarts , Haye has those qualities and Wlad has them and is twice the threat as either.



    Alis best chance


    Ali's ONLY chance to win is by out jabbing him...both fighters need the jab to set everything up , they were one dimensional in that aspect .That being said well obviously Wlad has the better jab and would control the fight there after...that's pretty much end thread. Wlad would have to have an off night ,and Ali gets his jab going and controls the pace ,which would also be far fetched because he excelled in having fighters come to him ,in doing that he gives Klitchko the tempo which absolutely would never work. Wlad has to be real careless or totally out of whack to lose this fight, its a terrible match up for Ali that only the pure fanatics refuse to acknowledge this insight and brush off Wlads skills and style.


    The one fight where Ali was the aggressor was with Young and look how bad he struggled !The only way to beat THIS Wlad is by pressure and Ali was not good at being the aggressor , Wlad was not one of those slow walking robots who he out reached or tall slower fighters with no power like him , Wlad also knew the words "CUT the ring off" he wouldn't just follow Ali in a circle like everyone else did....its that simple


    The Ali chin and skills


    Iron chins have a way of not mattering when a fighter 40 pounds bigger than you lands flush with power and precision like that. Ali was never ever hit by a speedy Super Heavy Weight with imop a better jab.


    Wlad was a very seasoned fighter/brawler if he had to be in a clinch, hit and holding if rough tactics called for it..ali would get mugged ,add to that Wlad has a background in judo, the hard truth is Ali was a master himself at that while pulling on the neck ,take that away and Frazier MAY k.o him in the first fight?



    I don't doubt Ali's toughness. It's not an insult to suggest someone 40-60 lbs bigger than the other left hooks that shook him, delivering it with more skill, power, and speed, turns the lights out. That's physics.



    David Haye, every bit as fast as Ali bigger ,stronger and more awkward to fight..you are just blinded by popularity .Haye ran when he felt Wlads power its that simple, Ali is the worst match up possible to win for Wlad other than Tyson, .The closest thing stylistically to Ali would be Byrd who is not only the same size as Ali when he fought Wlad but hits harder than Ali, and he was crushed at 212 pounds .The funny thing is Ali would need to be at least 220 just to keep Wlad off him , have you ever seen Ali to be this speed demon at that weight or above?



    The Ali Weakness

    Frazier's prime was 67/71. Ali did not best Frazier at his best. I'm not saying 74 Ali couldn't but he would have still struggled . If he is struggling with Frazier he is going to have a nightmare with giant Wlad regardless of different styles . Ali straight punch style is not going to trouble Wlad at all , its either going to be a mismatch of 12 rounds or a k.o mid rounds for Wlad . His left Hook is not only more powerful but you cant see it coming because he throws it off the jab instantaneously . Ali would not k.o anything ,unless Wlad was severly cut down in size.

    Look Wlad has one of the most concussive left hooks when it lands if you doubt that look at the Pulev fight,same hands down guard.


    If you take Alis jab away you win, and Wlad would do that,I see no way without blunt power he wins. Alis top 3 guys would be cruisers today, except Foreman.



    Trying to sell me a much smaller man ,who had flaws compared to that a 6'6 one would be the odds on favorite is far fetched ,Ali did not handle a 6'6 guy with speed ,smarts and strength of Wlad . He could barley handle Norton and couldn't handle Frazier really and basically you are telling me the 60's 210/212 pound version who was not as durable as the 70's Ali is even better in this match up ? Ali was dropped by a 180 pound left hooker ? Sorry but to me that's wishful thinking .





    Wlads early career loss too power puncher Sanders.



    Heres also those who use the old Sanders card as way of means to discredit the young Wlad of 2003.Theres a difference between watching and studying,..Sanders was old/slower less fast vs Wlad, based on what? Two rounds? l I'm pretty sure a 6'4 giant who can punch with speed as well and is a southpaw is far more dangerous than a feather fisted Ali who basically would have to hope Wlad tires out to win.


    Both intelligent brothers devised a way to fight Sanders smarter after the fact of Wlad losing ,and the obvious one was getting a southpaw in training camp, something Wlad didn't do. Sanders resume itself shows he fought better fighters in his old age , wheather he was more fit then is irrelevant, you are only as good as you prepare a fight and he was for the most part an early round fighter, you use Nate tubs as some meaningful reference ,yet Rahman k.os Lewis? Wlad also took the fight lightly and didn’t even spar with southpaws.



    Sanders is extremely quick and powerful Ali is just quick, he is also not a southpaw ,though he had a hard time with his own 190 pound one and 4 inches shorter than Sanders with Mildenberger who won the first 4 rounds despite what the scorecards said? Sanders also head butted Wlad to make all that happen,but what if E. Steward Klitchko is in the house? Different story then wouldn’t it?.





    The Byrd/ Ali connection



    Byrd has k.od more bigger guys than Ali has, and would be a k.o artist in his era with the same opponents..Ali actually is one of the weakest k.o punchers as champion in the history of the HW division. What each have is masterful tactics and speed, however Byrd was harder to hit.



    Ali only has 16 wins against guys who outweighed him..the rest he outweighed. And we are talking primes anyway, he almost always outweighed his opponents ,the size excuse is nonsense b/c Ali had that more than Wlad did in comparison to who he fought .The difference is Wlad is far more elite at 240 plus pounds who is fast and athletic ,Ali was slow at 220/225 and sluggish.




    At the end of the day wheather you think it’s a mismatch either way , I think it should be logical why W. klitchko should win this match. Wlad like or dislike is a true dominating force in HW history and is no easy task to defeat. Recently fury of 6'9 did but in my estimation wlad k.os him 4 out of 5 times,particualty 4/5 years ago. But how many guys of 6'9 and 85 inch reach who can actually box are out there anyway? None.



    What Ali would need to Do


    If Wlad for some reason gets tired he will lose and only then ,but Ali running around the ring isn't going to get that done he would actually have to engage and that will happen either when hes behind in the fight or Wlad goes after him and uses his own ring generalship to cut the ring off . And Wlad would not have to worry about overcoming any adversity here ,indeed it would certainly be the other way around , klitchko takes his jab away,connects with the lightning straight rights and has the crushing left ,and if that lands its most likely lights out..

    Ali would have to out jab what would be a Holmes level jab but with power

    A 3 inch height differance

    1960's Ali would be outweighed over 30 pounds

    1970s Ali would be outweighed by 20

    klitchko is accurate and fast

    Out clinch a better Clincher

    Deal with a left hook from Hell



    Klitchko Defeats Ali 4 out of 5 as well and gets a knock out at least twice.

    Klitchko 9th rnd K.o
     
  2. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Saying Ali would beat Wlad is like saying the 1975 Reds would beat the 2016 Cubs; The Reds would get destroyed.

    Athletes today are bigger, stronger, and faster than past athletes.
     
  3. Phil_Ivey_76

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    What Fury did to an out of sought Wlad Ali does to a prime Wlad. Ali doesn't have Fury's reach but his speed would make up for that.
     
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  4. Sunchild78

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    Yes Klitchko has the size and reach, but lacks the heart. Ali may not have had one punch KO power, but he had the tools to at least out point him, and enough power to ko him, if he hits him enough. Klitchko has been stopped by lesser opponents, so theirs no reason for me to believe that Ali couldn't have beaten him. Ali has been in the ring with some heavy hitters, and none of them was able to stop him. He's never been KO or TKO, so even in his defeat he always made it to the 15th bell. Smart money would bet on the guy who has a higher percentage of being there for the final bell.
     
  5. Orca

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    Dammed if I'm reading all that. A skim was enough. Why so many words? It's easy. Check it: Ali easy ud over WK.

    Haye even money over Ali? You bigging up Haye on WK's behalf? I'm phoning your nurse to tell her you're online again.
     
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  6. VG_Addict

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    But Wlad is bigger, taller, stronger, and hits harder than Ali.
     
  7. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Another thread where these pseudo neo-brown shirts try to replace a legend with Euro fighter to fit their fantasies. Where is Kevin Willis,Mirkofpanckaes, lewis ass, and the rest of the red suspender brigade?

    Can George Foreman knockout both Wlad and Vitali? No because they have been KO'd by lesser men but no way does a prime black legend does it. How could Ali beat Wlad? he is not as good as Lamon Brewster RIGHT?! Ross Purrity?! WTF is wrong with you guys?

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  8. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If a 32 Year old past His Prime Ali demolished a 24 Year Old Prime Monster like Foreman.....I would hate to think what a Prime Ali would do to Wlad.!!!!
     
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  9. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It has nothing to do with skin color.
     
  10. Orca

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    So was Foreman. Besides Ali was faster, smarter, better chin, more courageous, better footwork, had plan a,b,c and was always mentally strong and prepared. Can't believe I'm in this thread. It's a joke as are any boxing fans siding with the deluded OP.
     
  11. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Couldn't read it all, but it's comedy gold. Please write about more classic matchups. :clap:
     
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  12. VG_Addict

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    The speed difference isn't as big as people think. Wlad is freakishly athletic for a man his size.
     
  13. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Because any one of intelligance AFTER reading that has no questions to ask and can sum it up on a more real basis,than ones own point of view since i covered all the points.
     
  14. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    "Wlads hands were faster than Tysons" T. brooks

    i also know Tyson wasnt 80's tyson but thats damn fast anyway.

    Now i know speed bag is rythm to ,but there is no comparison to the hand snap and even with one hand and a smaller bag he hits faster. Take into account reach,Alis speed is good in spurts but one punch and a faster Jab which would dictate the fight is one all needs to defeat ali. Holmes is a 50/50 but wlad with added power would hurt Ali. The vid isnt even prime Wlad its from last year.


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  15. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    I never see a post where a Euro HW is compared or contrasted to a legendary White HW ever.
    Nobody makes a thread" Wlad vs Marciano, Vitali vs Greb, Povetvin vs Morrison, Usyk vs Cooney, it's always "insert black legend here" vs New Euro face blah, blah, blah Euro wins :campeon2:.

    And the minute someone contest that it's, so and so is bigger. Then you look at who New Euro Face loss to and that theory of them beating a legend becomes mute. Its fantasy.