Wladimir Klitschko vs Riddick Bowe

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong. I really dislike the style of Wlad under Steward. I get that he's a nice guy and is a celebrity in Germany and has a fit bird but I genuinely hate clinching.

    I also dislike the style of Emile Griffith as well.

    Clinching is lazy, it's a cheat. It's saying if you are very strong for your weight class you can prevent a weaker man getting inside by using lazy tactics.

    Once you've got that mastered all you need is a jab and to be quick enough on your feet to back pedal a lunging hook.

    It's not good to watch, it doesn't scream out skill to me and it's no something I like to see in the sport.

    But as long as it's allowed you need to either beat Wlad on the outside or be stronger than him on the inside. If you aren't neither of those things you need to hope you've got a he'll of a chin and Wlad will shoot his bolt or hope you're a southpaw counter puncher.

    That's what the history of Wlad shows us. Let him tire, counter punch him, or beat him on the outside. Nothing else is a fair fight because of his strength in the clinch. He has maximised his assets and minimised his weakness. For that strength of character I respect him, but given a choice between watching a career set of Wlad or a career set of Chisora I'm going the latter all day long.
     
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  2. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    biased? actually it was the pure truth
     
  3. ticar

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    Go watch first holyfield fight and watch how bowe sets other punches and combos with his jab...
    Even george foreman said "that left jab has been the most devastating thing in his life" . I think he said that in the famous round 10, go watch it, even better watch the whole fight and then come back here.
    Also bowe has a big advantage in stamina, went 12 hard rounds with holyfield, wlad is known for gassing out, and he always looks so tired in the late rounds even when he dictates the pace of the fight

    Also watch how bowe outjabbed and destroyed jorge gonzales, a big and mobile boxer with quality amateur background, and tell me than that wlad would outjab bowe. Wlad never dominated taller fighter with his jab the way bowe did against gonzales.
    Seriously you guys are delusional if you think wlad has any chance, he looked bad against an old, slow thompson, he has no chance against bowe.
    Even if he somehow catches bowe he won't finish him cause he's a poor finisher and would **** his pants at bowe still coming to him
     
  4. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    taller and stronger? bowe is 6'5 and wladimir is not even fully 6'6... they are pretty even in height, and the strength i doubt it, bowe handled holyfield easily physically and evander was a very very strong man, klitschko is big and ripped but a pretty body does not make you stronger. i think that wladimir hits harder but i am not sure who is stronger
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    I've watched the whole trilogy loads. One of the best in boxing history and without fan man he probably defends his title again.

    Everyone knows Wlad gasses out. No one expects him to take this on points.

    Gonzalez wasn't an elite fighter, the comparison is about as apt as mine in saying Brewster is the closest to Bowe. I reality neither man fought anyone like each other.

    Wlad would never ever dominate a taller man with his jab because the only taller man he faced dominated him with it. But Bowe isn't as tall or as quick as Wlad so that matters not.

    The only delusion is saying a man as great as Wlad has no chance against a wasted talent like Bowe. I have happily said if Bowe gets inside he wins. I don't see the logic in saying Bowe beats Wlad from the outside though, that isn't how he fought in his actual career so wouldn't be how he fought in this fight.

    We all know the story here, Wlad wants to jab at range and hold up close. Bowe wants to jab his way in and unload up close. The battle of the jabs is Wlad's without doubt. The battle up close is the decider and it comes down to who the stronger man is.
     
  6. ticar

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    Wow so you expect wlad, not a great finisher, to stop bowe who had never been stopped, has a good chin and helluva heart?
    Wlad was scared shitless to engage with haye, and he's gonna control the fight vs bowe and tie him up inside? Good luck with that against a fearless 6'5 big guy with great inside skills, and a warrior mentality.

    Brewster stopped the prime version, and he's nowhere near bowe. Bowe obliterated gonzales and outjabbed him easily. See the difference?
    He looked like **** against thompson, couldn't outjab him, and out of desperation started some infighting against him... Imagine that against bowe :D


    Bowe is one inch shorter and has the same reach, no size difference here. He also has every punch in the book and can put his punches together, skills wlad has noone of it.
    Bowe hasn't fought from outside? Tell me why did foreman praise his jab? How the hell did he bust gonzales from outside, look how he shoots double jab and knocks gonazles back?
    As i said, wlad's jab isn't as effective against tall opponents, and bowe would obviously trouble him with the jab and bust his face with it cause wlad cuts easily. Don't know why you think wlad would win the battle of jabs, it's not like he beat some elite jabbers so it's a given.

    How the hell is wlad gonna tie bowe inside, who is big and strong like him and has skills actually on the inside? You think bowe is some blown up crusier like haye so wlad can easily clinch him?
    He couldn't control fury inside let alone bowe
     
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  7. BCS8

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    Evidently you were so busy tripping over your arguments that you missed this:

    I forgive you.
     
  8. BCS8

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    WRONG.

    He outjabbed Bowe and landed some big shots from the outside. After Bowe was on ***** street, Golota destroyed him on the ropes. Did you even watch the fights?

    Wlad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Golota
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    I don't know what I expect him to do hence the thread.

    He may well need luck but tieing up Bowe on the inside has to be his strategy.

    Yes one fought Brewster one thought Gonzalez. There is more than one difference.

    Bowe has never been an out boxer. He should have been with his size and frame but for some reason he preferred the inside.

    Wlad has the better jab to me and that's clear on film. If you disagree so be it, I also think Ali has a better jab than Wlad despite him never out jabbing anyone on Wlad's level.

    I don't think Bowe is a cruiser weight no.

    Fury had the size and speed to control him from the outside, he had no plan B. None of that changes that Wlad had no option but to tie Bowe up. He certainly isn't gonna beat him on the inside.
     
  10. BCS8

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    I have to agree with this post all the way.

    He's a horribly boring fighter if he gets to execute his gameplan, because he takes zero chances. From his perspective, why should he? His gameplan is arguably the most effective one in boxing history, and as long as they let him get away with his Dr Octopus tactics why should he change it?

    This same basic battleplan is one that Bowe would have no answer for.

    Frankly I much preferred Young Wlad who absolutely tried to blast the opposition out of there. He's still there, under the layers of jab n' hold, but it takes a guy to severely pressure him (like Pulev) to bring that Wlad out.

    The refs should just do their job.
     
  11. BCS8

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    I guess that's debatable. I put forward the argument that Wlad at 240/245lb of ripped muscle, vs Bowe at around the same weight but visibly flabby, Wlad will be stronger. Bowe looked better at 230, but then he's giving up quite a bit of weight. Klitschko handled guys Bowe's size before without too many problems.
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    He didn't use fleet of foot movement against Pulev. After he momentarily did the huckle buck off a power less Pulev jab he panicked and wrapped onto Pulev and didn't let go until he foud the knock out blow.
    He couldn't box a lick against Pulev. He relied on his power to bomb Pulev out after the breaks.
    How is it possible you know so little about this sport?
     
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  13. ticar

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    So what if wlad is ripped, this isn't bodybuilding, and the fact that he has weak stamina and bowe an excellent one, shows that bowe actually has better boxing conditioning, and would be the stronger man in the clinches cause wlad tires way quickly
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    Golota had the tools to engage Bowe in a fight. Wlad did not. Golota couldn't handle the heat. Neither would Wlad. Golota didn't want to be in there any more and QUIT. So would Wlad.

    Bowe >> Purrity , Wiliamson , Brewster , Peter , Sanders , Povetkin, Fury .

    Wlad who got utterly destroyed against Brewster beating Bowe????? :risas3::risas3::facepalm:
     
  15. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    it is not bodybuilding or fitnes, norton, weaver,bruno,or wladimir were more ripped than foreman but i have no doubt about who was stronger. bowe was at his best at 235 so what? so you think that heavier =stronger?