what if Foreman did not retire in 1977?

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  1. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    great logic... if weaver and snipes could hurt and knock down holmes badly when the fatigue had nothing to do with it then foreman would destroy him before the stamina could be a factor late in the fight, Foreman was a far greater fighter than them
     
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    do you know a word called irony?
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    He beat the undefeated champion.
     
  4. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Styles make fights.

    Holmes at his best had the perfect style to beat Foreman. The two best boxers Foreman fought beat him going away.

    If old Ali could ko prime Foreman and light hitting Young could knockdown and beat Foreman unanimously then the best Holmes would do so easier and potentially quicker. Holmes was three times the fighter Young ever was.
     
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  5. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    old ali? lmao 32 years old? "old" ali74 was better ,faster and more durable than larry holmes..
    Larry holmes lost against spoon and carl williams...
    If 3 nobodies could knock down holmes NEARLY OUT, THEN "THE 24 TIMES BETTER FOREMAN" would finish him faster.
    BTW JIMMY YOUNG HAD A MUCH BETTER STYLE TO BEAT FOREMAN THAN HOLMES
     
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  6. nikrj

    nikrj Active Member Full Member

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    Yes he did, but after being schooled for nine rounds.....
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    Before knocking him out.
     
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  8. Azzer85

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    More losses would follow simply because he wasn't the same fighter mentally.
     
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  9. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes did not lose to any of these fighters. He was undefeated by the time he lost to Spinks. Foreman was rocked badly by Peralta who did not rate vs Weaver or Shavers. Using YOUR own idiotic logic if Peralta could stagger Foreman Holmes would knock him out.

    Remember the two best boxers Foreman fought beat him going away. Peralta staggered Foreman. Prime Foreman was superior to 32 year old Ali or any Jimmy Young or certainly any version of Peralta.
     
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  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Irrelevant.
     
  11. GordonGarner65

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    The Foreman/Holmes debate is not the defining answer for the original question.
    Foreman packed in after his defeat to Young because he was mentally shot. Had he continued, he would probably blast out moderate oponents, but would've been increasingly vulnerable versus anyone who could take him deep into a fight.
    His reincarnation in much later years was thoroughlly admirable, but has to be set in context. He lost to Holyfield and Morrison before being very fortunate to be given another title shot v Moorer. His only chance of victory that night was to land one big shot and a lacksadasical Moorer gave him the chance when well ahead on points. Following this Foreman avoided anyone big , black or dangerous.
    He mastered the art of making money and fair play to the guy.It's heartening to see a boxer do so well for himself.
    To return to the original question, the fact is that Foreman's mental state led him to walk away in 1977,he'd lost his previous aura of fear that he struck into others and that wasn't going to return anytime soon.
    Losing to Ali was one thing, but defeat to Jimmy Young was harder to live with.Had he carried on, my guess is he would've developed a patchy record as his career faded away.
    It took the intervening years for George to develop the mature mentality that he later displayed.
     
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  12. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    first of all , peralta never did even hurt a green foreman.
    second, peralta had better record than shavers and weaver together when he fought foreman...
    maybe holmes was "undefeated oficially" until he fought spinks, but the reality was very different
     
  13. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    i was boring to debate with a simpleton, finally anyone who understood the real question of the thread.
    i see your point of his vulnerable mind at that time,but if he could recover after ali and was starting to dominate again the division.. don't you think that he could do the same thing again after young,? maybe yes, this could have taken 1 year or 2 to reset his mind and recover the confidence in himself. but what fighters do you see with the tools to survive george early and then beats him in the distance? in this space of time 77-85.
     
  14. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    who would you pick over him between 1977 and 1985.?
     
  15. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As with some here I strongly believe George needed a fairly long break, his style and footwork had been changed badly, mentally he was struggling to figure out what would work for him and he wasn't sure he should be fighting at all. He could have clubbed a number of the smaller and lesser lights, the Ocassio's, Spinks, and of course tomato can's like Evangelista, but even Snipes may have taken a win over him at that stage, he just wasn't in a place to fight at that time.
     
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