In MMA a Loss Doesn't Mean as Much as Boxing

Bro your wasting your time.

Most UFC /MMA are just angry boxing fans who throw their dummy out when their favourite fight does not happen or their fighter does not get a decision.

They always come back, UFC is a different sport.

Boxing is the second oldest sport known to man(wrestling is older, and has more layers, UFC and MMA are dominated by these fields of fighting, and at heavyweight, Jon Jones proved wrestling to be the more secure base of fighting,)

The levels in UFC are too low, Jon Jones has shown what skills look like in MMA, brock lesnar is a garbage fighter, put him in a ring with Povetkin or Wilder and he will honestly be murdered.

In boxing due to the sport constantly evolving and had new tricks being created, the levels are high.

Floyd has shown that boxers can reach a level of fighting were punishment can be minimal.
The next great will have this power of defense, but add in KO power.

THAT IS SCARY GUYS, OUR SPORT IS CREATING MONSTER FIGHTERS, imagine a GGG with the defensive skills of Floyd, and the sales man ship of Ali, along with Lomo foot work,

Boxing is the ultimate striking weapon that man has, Wresting is the fundamental base. Thas all a UFC fighter really needs.

 

It's not meaningless when it disproves your statement that "the best don't fight the best in boxing anymore". What you really mean is that "the third best and the 5th best don't fight as often as I'd like", which is a different argument I can agree with.

 

Just typed ufc ducking into google, seeing recent articles
"Jorge Masvidal tired of UFC Fighters Ducking Him"
http://www.si.com/mma/2016/09/16/jorge-masvidal-tired-ufc-fighters-ducking-him
Jose Aldo: Holloway is Ducking Me
http://www.lowkickmma.com/UFC/report-jose-aldo-offered-interim-lightweight-title-fight/
Conor Mcgregor ducking Khabib Nuragomedov
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/theory-of-ducking.3407115/page-2

Apparently Michael Bisping is fighting Romero after becoming notorious for his ducking, kind of like Mayweather eventually fought Cotto or Pacquiao, the way Canelo eventually wants to fight GGG. But before this he fought the 14th ranked Henderson instead of Chris Weidman, who accused him of ducking. He was calling out retired GSP and Diaz for money fights too instead of facing his top contenders. Conor McGregor won a belt off Aldo and immediately moved up without defending it, thereby ducking the entire division, who were standing in line waiting for their shot. So then two contenders fight for an interim belt while Conor goes off to dance with Diaz? Is Conor the champ or are they? You see? Confusion. You've got guys chasing money fights ducking their mandatories. Apparently, everyone from bantamweight to middleweight wants to fight McGregor or Diaz instead of their mandos, and since 7 out of 8 champs were dethroned this year and interim belts are circulating like phony currency, there is some dispute about who is actually the best in almost every division.

Alright, you say that whoever has the UFC belt is the champ and the best mma fighter at that weight. But Jon Jones beat Daniel Cormier before he got stripped for Peds or something. Then they gave the belt to Cormier. Cormier was scheduled to fight Jones again but got injured and so Jones fought Ovint St Preux for the interim belt. But then Jones got popped again and stripped again combined with a one year suspension; so who is the champ?

Besides, didn't everybody agree that Alexander Gustafsson beat Jones in 2013 and got robbed?

 

I took a look at the top 5 fighters in all 17 boxing weight classes, like you suggested. What I found is that the top 5 guys rarely fought each other. That's true. But usually, they'd picked off a guy who had been in the top 5 but wasn't anymore to get their place. The top 5 guys usually have unblemished or nearly unblemished records because there's a really deep talent pool in boxing. We have about 1,000 people waiting in line for their shot in the rankings and when you lose, even if you were an unbeaten champ for years, you drop about 8 places in the rankings. Just look at Klitschko or Uchiyama. You lose one time in ten years and 30 fights and you're not good enough to be in the top 5 anymore. Werdum and Overeem are still rated #1 and #3 probably because it's a thin division and everyone else has worse records.

If you look at those top 5 heavyweights you posted, each of them beat a top guy to get that rating. Povetkin beat Perez and Takam who were rated when he beat them. Ortiz beat Jennings. Wilder beat Stiverne and Parker beat Takam too. But where are they now? Takam is ranked 21, Jennings like Klitschko and Stiverne is no longer ranked because they haven't fought in a year. If they were ranked Stiverne would be about #11 now, Perez would be about #15, and Jennings would be ranked #20.

In boxing, when you lose a better guy with a better record takes your place in the rankings and you have to try and get it back. You don't stay ranked in the top 5 because there's nobody better to take your place like in mma. That's the difference between having a talent pool of 1,000 guys or 2,000 guys instead of a talent pool of 400.

Look at the number of losses in the top 5 by divisions. HWB 1, HWMMA 29. LHWB 7, LHWMMA 20. MWB 7, MWMMA 17. They might have fought each other more, but they have so many more losses that they would have been replaced by other guys if they had a deeper talent pool like boxing. We move guys up when they win and other guys down when they lose; so we don't need a constant round robin of Arreola vs Stiverne vs Chisora vs Duhaupas vs Scott. All of our unbeaten guys beat their asses on the way up and we have new faces all the time. If your top guys don't have some turn over then it's a sign that you have a shallow talent pool.

 

It is not the norm. The norm is the best fighting the best.

 

Well at heavyweight it should be Klitschko vs Joshua since Fury and Povetkin are going to be suspended for the next year and Klitschko was removed from the rankings for inactivity. That fight is definitely coming off next year. Usyk says he wants to unify the titles at cruiserweight before moving up so he might fight Gassiev or Bellew for their belts next year. Kovalev vs Ward 2 might happen next year and that's better than Ward vs Stevenson. DeGale vs Jack is coming in a couple of weeks. Canelo vs Golovkin is supposed to happen in September. But in the meantime, since Canelo isn't actually a middleweight yet, we are getting Golovkin vs Jacobs, which you'll see is the next biggest thing at the weight. It actually looks like Canelo is moving up next year so expect him to be replaced by Lara or Charlo. I don't know if they'll want to fight each other. Pacquiao is semi-retired now, so don't expect big fights from him. Crawford vs Postol already happened. If you want to see Zlaticanin fight a big dog at lightweight, he's fighting Mikey Garcia in January, who's a bigger name than Linares, but is just building his ranking up again after inactivity. Seeing as how Lomachenko just beat the top two ranked super featherweights I don't see why he wouldn't face Vargas too next year. They both have enough hype right now that I see that fight being even more likely than the Salido fight. Frampton doesn't need to fight Vetyeka. Santa Cruz is the better fight, and Santa Cruz was only ranked lower because he lost the first match. Frampton vs Santa Cruz 2 is the fight everyone wants to see and it's coming in January. I'm not sure who Yamanaka will fight next. I'd rather see Jamie McDonnell next since he just disposed of Anselmo Moreno but I guess Warren is alright. But it looks like his next mando is Rungvisai. Inoue vs Gonzalez is possible for next year, but Gonzalez has to get past Cuadras first. Casimero is dropping the belt and moving up so he won't be fighting Ioka. Besides an Ioka Nietes fight would be better, but I wouldn't count on it. And the bottom two weights I don't know anything about.

So I count 9 out of 17.

 

I counted 9. Your list didn't rank the top fighters right a couple of times. You ought to know better yourself. You know that Klitschko vs Joshua is the better fight. You know that Kovalev vs Ward is the better fight. You know that Frampton vs Santa Cruz is the better fight. You know that Canelo dropped the middleweight belt and holds the junior middleweight belt so he shouldn't be rated above Jacobs at middleweight. Canelo vs Golovkin may be the biggest fight in boxing, but they still aren't technically in the same weight class.

1.Klitschko vs Joshua
2.Usyk vs Gassiev
3.Kovalev vs Ward 2
4.DeGale vs Jack
5.Canelo vs Golovkin
6.Golovkin vs Jacobs
7.Zlaticanan vs Mikey Garcia
8.Lomachenko vs Vargas
9.Frampton vs Santa Cruz 2

9 possible. 5 scheduled.

 

Agreed. 1 vs 2 is the best fighting the best. That's the way it should be. Any Boxing fan wanting anything else is an idiot.