1970 Joe Frazier vs 1980 Gerry Cooney

1. He wasn't shot in 1984. He was 28 years old, easily destroyed two respectable opponents and looked fine at 229-230.
2. The fact that he started his career at 208 is irrelevant. He was 20 years old. there were times early in Frazier's career where he weighed as low as 197. Can we use that?
3. Fair enough. I'll settle for Cooney being 225 and Joe's best weight at 205 and meet in the middle for a 20 lb difference.. But if you keep up with this shlt of trying to make Frazier look good good at 210 and shrink Cooney to 224, 222, or whatever then no dice.

 

Why don't we just put Cooney in the Same category as Dave Zyglewicz while we're at it?

 

well true they weren't all time greats like Terry Daniels, Manuel Ramos, Dave zyglewicz, and Ron Stander.

 

I've seen this already thanks.. And Cooney looked fine in the fights below while being at 230 and against men who were as good or better then the ones you posted.

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The circumstances under which Cooney lost to his best opponents as well as the ones under which Frazier WON his best fights along with the differences in styles of all the above men make that kind of a moot point. Cooney was mostly inactive going into his best fights. Some of Frazier's best victims had been inactive going in against HIM. And again the chemistry doesn't tell us how Frazier and Cooney would do against each other.. With that I concur that Frazier would win. But I don't buy this crap about Gerry being a walk in the park for Frazier. I think it would take several rounds for Joe to break down the much bigger man and while eating some heavy shots along the way. By the end of the night ( perhaps after 7-9 rounds ) when Joe is announced the winner, I can envision some swelling in the eyes and blood running at the mouth..

 

Phill Brown, Eddie Gregg, and George Chaplin all retired with better records than Ramos, Daniels, or Stander. Furthermore they didn't have a regular habit of losing to tomato cans as the latter group did. And Lastly, these were men who Cooney fought on the comeback trail.. The latter were used as TITLE defenses for Frazier.

 

Ah.. defaulting to the " who did he beat" argument.. Well regardless. Cooney would have been a better opponent than Ramos, Stander, Daniels, Mathis, and Dave zhghaghaijhslr or whatever the hell his name was.. Happy New Year..

 

I place him in the stratosphere that sits comfortably above roughly half of Frazier's title opponents