1. He wasn't shot in 1984. He was 28 years old, easily destroyed two respectable opponents and looked fine at 229-230. 2. The fact that he started his career at 208 is irrelevant. He was 20 years old. there were times early in Frazier's career where he weighed as low as 197. Can we use that? 3. Fair enough. I'll settle for Cooney being 225 and Joe's best weight at 205 and meet in the middle for a 20 lb difference.. But if you keep up with this shlt of trying to make Frazier look good good at 210 and shrink Cooney to 224, 222, or whatever then no dice.
no, he looked shi7 and i proved it with the photos... frazier was also in his 20s against stander when he weighed nearly 218 pounds and he played with stander.. he looked perfect... This content is protected he looked great at nearly 216 pounds in his 20s against terry daniels This content is protected still it was not his prime weight... your argument is gargabe
well true they weren't all time greats like Terry Daniels, Manuel Ramos, Dave zyglewicz, and Ron Stander.
I've seen this already thanks.. And Cooney looked fine in the fights below while being at 230 and against men who were as good or better then the ones you posted. This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected
Frazier prime best weight was 200-205. But issue for Cooney here is not weight. It's irrelevant. Prime Frazier would chew him up and spit him out. Cooney lost to the best he fought. Frazier beat Muhammad Ali. That Frazier destroys any Cooney. A fringe ATG fighter vs a slickly managed contender.
The circumstances under which Cooney lost to his best opponents as well as the ones under which Frazier WON his best fights along with the differences in styles of all the above men make that kind of a moot point. Cooney was mostly inactive going into his best fights. Some of Frazier's best victims had been inactive going in against HIM. And again the chemistry doesn't tell us how Frazier and Cooney would do against each other.. With that I concur that Frazier would win. But I don't buy this crap about Gerry being a walk in the park for Frazier. I think it would take several rounds for Joe to break down the much bigger man and while eating some heavy shots along the way. By the end of the night ( perhaps after 7-9 rounds ) when Joe is announced the winner, I can envision some swelling in the eyes and blood running at the mouth..
they are exactly in the same categorie( stander maybe was better) , it was my point, you called stander aNd daniels bums and then you called these guys "respetable fighter" lmao pathetic, ****ing hypocrite
Gerry Cooney beat no one of note. He didn't do particularly well against Holmes. He was stopped every time he faced anyone approaching the elite level. I didn't say it would be "an easy night" for Frazier, but it would be an early one.
Phill Brown, Eddie Gregg, and George Chaplin all retired with better records than Ramos, Daniels, or Stander. Furthermore they didn't have a regular habit of losing to tomato cans as the latter group did. And Lastly, these were men who Cooney fought on the comeback trail.. The latter were used as TITLE defenses for Frazier.
Ah.. defaulting to the " who did he beat" argument.. Well regardless. Cooney would have been a better opponent than Ramos, Stander, Daniels, Mathis, and Dave zhghaghaijhslr or whatever the hell his name was.. Happy New Year..
I haven't seen the fight in a long time but Frazier didn't have trouble backing up and beating down Joe Bugner who was pretty close to the same dimensions as Cooney. And this is Frazier post FOTC and Foreman.
I place him in the stratosphere that sits comfortably above roughly half of Frazier's title opponents