Why Jack Johnson’s Family Should Refuse Any Exoneration

Why would tax dollars be used to clear his name? It costs nothing to not prosecute.

The Jack Johnson pardon is important. First off, it rights a terrible wrong done to a great (but flawed) man. Second, it can be a good reminder to people today about the conditions 100 years ago.

Jack Johnson was a major international figure in his time. We can't just forget how the government targeted him and wrongfully imprisoned him. That wouldn't be right.

 

I could use the same analogy to further my own argument.

They basically used the sort of methods that they normally use to go after the mafia to get rid of Johnson.

Those sorts of methods being used against an inconvenient boxer, is simply outrageous.

Treating this as a stand-alone issue, I would absolutely be in favour of a pardon.

 

because "likely" isnt enough to convict today, thank god for that. except in donkey mendoza court of course, and theres a good reason u aint ever getting power to make a decision in law.

 

The only donkeys are those who reject the facts. The Mann act is still on the books today, and one can be convicted of it for moving women across state lines. Domestic violence against women and assault on the sick and weak are crimes Johnson is 100% guilty of. Do you dare disagree, HerolGee?

Only the President or governor of a state can pardon a person from a crime, and those who are posthumously pardoned need a clean record. To use your language that ain't Johnson

 

No, it went after many pre-Johnson. Example Charlie Chaplin. Klompton is well versed in this law, and he owned any naysayer in a thread a while ago on this topic.

 

and the law says "likely" isnt a fact.

why do you continue to see a possible as a fact? explain why

 

You're typing jibberish now. The law is the law. Johnson had a night club that doubled as a ***** house ( fact ) and lost his case in court ( fact ).

 

Huh?? So lawmakers and congressional types meet on their own time for stuff like this now, do they?

Please.

 

"likely" is not the law.

my question now is why you taking three posts and still not realised that?

r u running, pretending i am answering a different question now like " the law isnt the law"?
shame mate for you to run away and make up an unrelated argument so that you can fake a win for your own ego.

 

You used the term likely not I. Stop it already. Here are the facts if you want to learn.

Educate yourself:

Soon an anonymous tip came into the Bureau of Investigation's Chicago office, suggesting that they look for a prostitute calling herself "Belle Gifford" or "Mrs. Jaques Allen." Agents soon traced Johnson's former companion [url]Belle Schreiber[/url] to a whorehouse in the nation's capital. Schreiber's memory of dates and places seemed encyclopedic, and her bitterness at Johnson's treatment of her made her just the witness investigators were looking for. Within days, the federal grand jury had issued seven Mann Act indictments, charging Johnson with transporting Schreiber from Pittsburgh to Chicago on October 15, 1910, for the purpose of prostitution and debauchery. Johnson was arrested on November 7, and Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis (who would one day become the first commissioner of baseball and ensure that the sport remained segregated) set bail at $30,000, then threw both Johnson and his bail bondsman into the Cook County Jail. It took a week to bail them out.

The case of United States v. John Arthur Johnson finally began in Chicago's Federal Building on May 7, 1913, with Judge George Albert Carpenter presiding. Schrebier was the chief witness for the prosecution. It took a jury less than two hours to find Johnson guilty on all counts. On June 4, Carpenter sentenced Johnson to one year and one day in federal prison.

On June 24, while free pending appeal, Johnson disappeared. The following day he showed up in Montreal, where Lucille was waiting for him. Three days later, they set sail for France. Johnson found a few fights in Europe, but his status as a fugitive made him much less marketable as a boxer, and the outbreak of World War I the following year collapsed the European boxing market entirely. With money running out, the Johnsons sailed for South America.

>>In addition to this crime, Johnson also skipped on his bail. Do you know that is against the law? The nut of it is a man who badly beat on and mistreated women, was convicted. It caught up to him and Johnson had problems with women in other nations too, not just the USA. If such a man is an idol of yours...

 

you've gone off on one again on an alternative.

why you avoiding accepting that "likely" isnt legally binding?

 

He was found guilty in a court of law with a jury and did, in fact, use women for immoral purposes. That is legally binding.

You might want to brush up on the Mann act. In a court of law, a case must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

If the term likely doesn't fit ( take it out of the discussion, I retract it ), I suggest you study his past transgressions and factual evidence against.

Now did you read what I posted??!! I'd like to read your reply to the below as you are running from it.

Soon an anonymous tip came into the Bureau of Investigation's Chicago office, suggesting that they look for a prostitute calling herself "Belle Gifford" or "Mrs. Jaques Allen." Agents soon traced Johnson's former companion [url]Belle Schreiber[/url] to a whorehouse in the nation's capital. Schreiber's memory of dates and places seemed encyclopedic, and her bitterness at Johnson's treatment of her made her just the witness investigators were looking for. Within days, the federal grand jury had issued seven Mann Act indictments, charging Johnson with transporting Schreiber from Pittsburgh to Chicago on October 15, 1910, for the purpose of prostitution and debauchery. Johnson was arrested on November 7, and Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis (who would one day become the first commissioner of baseball and ensure that the sport remained segregated) set bail at $30,000, then threw both Johnson and his bail bondsman into the Cook County Jail. It took a week to bail them out.

The case of United States v. John Arthur Johnson finally began in Chicago's Federal Building on May 7, 1913, with Judge George Albert Carpenter presiding. Schrebier was the chief witness for the prosecution. It took a jury less than two hours to find Johnson guilty on all counts. On June 4, Carpenter sentenced Johnson to one year and one day in federal prison.

On June 24, while free pending appeal, Johnson disappeared. The following day he showed up in Montreal, where Lucille was waiting for him. Three days later, they set sail for France. Johnson found a few fights in Europe, but his status as a fugitive made him much less marketable as a boxer, and the outbreak of World War I the following year collapsed the European boxing market entirely. With money running out, the Johnsons sailed for South America.

>>In addition to this crime, Johnson also skipped on his bail. Do you know that is against the law? The nut of it is a man who badly beat on and mistreated women, was convicted. It caught up to him and Johnson had problems with women in other nations too, not just the USA.

 

I am going to say he's important for the history of boxing and for social progress. Any minority who was the 1st on a cerian level is also socially important.

But his negatives to me greatly out weight the most obvious positives, and he should not be pardoned for his numerous and sometimes outrageous actions. I agree, if he wasn't famous, very few familiar with what he did would want him pardoned.