The True Legacy of Andrew Golota

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  1. jdoro63

    jdoro63 Member Full Member

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    He has an expansive legacy, actually. Take for instance that Golota was Poland's first star in pro boxing who put the nation on the global boxing map. His lasting impact on the development of pro boxing in the nation inspired future Polish fighters.
    He built Poland into a major venue for this sport. Remember, prior to the early 90s, pro boxing was outlawed in many former Eastern Bloc countries including Poland.

    If marijuana doesn't change the outcome of punches in a boxing match or the match itself, then it shouldn't even be classified as a PED or banned substance. But in Michigan, officials forbid it, and in 2000 Tyson's victory was taken away for a reason. There's many pieces to this puzzle, but each piece is important.
     
  2. The Long Count

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    The op seems racist or overly nationalistic to Poland. If you want real European fighters who have made a legacy it's the Klitschko brothers from Ukraine. Both class acts who have been great ambassadors to the sport and whose ability and success in the sport has opened the door to many European fighters and former soviet bloc fighters to enter the world boxing scene and expand the sports talent pool.
    Their 20 year run of excellance has lead to the emergence of fighters like Lomochencko, Usyk, Golovkin, Kovalev, Gassiev, Beterbiev, etc etc
     
  3. jdoro63

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    I wrote previously that I did not have any racial intentions. I was simply stating my viewpoint, which is that Andrew Golota was the first white boxer who showed the ability to compete with dominant black heavyweights. I had to use the terms "white" and "black" in order to get my point across. It would be no different than saying "The Mexico-Puerto Rico rivalry is like that of no other countries in boxing." I did not degrade black boxers in my posting.

    I agree with you about the Klitschkos having left their own legacy on Ukraine. But previous posters on this forum have championed Golota's standing. He blazed a trail for former Soviet-bloc heavyweights and Poland. Golota's long career prefaced the successes of countrymen Adamek, Wlodarczyk, Fonfara, Wolak, Glowacki, among others. In the process, Golota built a legacy of his own. This we know today. This is all still a young legacy though, because boxers from Poland and Ukraine were not able to go pro until the early 90s. That's so much boxing history to miss out on. Russia and Ukraine have had more solid pros than Poland up until now, but again, pro boxing is still relatively young in these nations. The real talents from Poland are emerging right now including Maciej Sulecki and Patryk Szymanski. We couldn't even devise a comprehensive top 10 of the greatest Polish-born boxers because it's difficult to evaluate without a complete career retrospective.
     
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  4. NoNeck

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    Since when has weed been classified as a PED? It was an illegal drug, not a PED.
     
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  5. jdoro63

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    It's only a banned substance and not recognized by commissions as a PED to the best of my knowledge. However, a competitor who relies on endurance (such as in the sport of boxing) may benefit from marijuana through its pain-numbing as well as bronchodilatory effects.

    I realize that the version of Tyson that Golota faced was not the same unparagoned knockout artist of the late 80s, I just wanted to drive home the point that other factors were involved in the bout. It wasn't all about Golota quitting. Yet he gets scrutinized for doing so. But nobody talks of the fact Tyson got high when entering the ring at the Palace. If Golota was the one who smoked though, then the public would be all over him. I'm glad the Michigan State Athletic Commission at least had the good sense to render this fight a "No Contest". That was a fair call.
     
  6. NoNeck

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    Have you ever used marijuana?
     
  7. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I didn't consider that, if he's helped other poles get noticed or paid that is a legacy.
     
  8. jdoro63

    jdoro63 Member Full Member

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    No.
     
  9. Jamal Perkins

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    He had imo a bit of the bully and big thug about him.

    Physically a tough stoic man.Decent hand speed and respectable power and boxing ability. That's what got so many excited about him after the first bowe fight.

    But the fact was he would freeze before the top fights for the most part as you say.

    The Bowe fights , I am actually of the opinion Golota started fouling when he had hit Bowe with everything but the kitchen sink and Bowe was still coming on......it was a form of quitting rather than losing. The same with Tyson and Grant who he floored twice but who than came back.

    Any of us who been in the ring, know that feeling of adrenalin and panic and how it needs to be contained with patience

    Golota didn't have mental patience.

    However hee had a pretty good fairly long career though at the highest level and I gave him the Ruiz and Byrd fights he was robbed in. The Brewster fight was the real disappointment....I actually worked with polish comrades around about that time of life and they were gutted.

    The Grant, Byrd, Ruiz,first Bowe fight should all have been wins. As it is he won quite a few.

    I hope Golota earned a lot of money and kept it. He had a lot of profile fights
     
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  10. mr. magoo

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    I don't see how it can. It slows reflexes, hinders cardiovascular endurance, impairs perception of distance, stimulates appetite resulting in unhealthy eating, and depending on the disposition of the user can also cause bouts of fear or paranoia. I don't see these as performance enhancing qualities and certainly not in a contact sport..
     
  11. Azzer85

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    Regardless of the decision.

    Everyone who saw that fight, saw a one sided ass whooping and Golota quitting afterwards, after just two rounds.

    And weed didn't exactly enhance Tysons abilities in any way.

    Imagine what Tyson would have done to Golota if he wasn't on weed.

    Sorry, no matter how many excuses you make and try to sugar coat it, Tyson beat Golota and would have beaten him at any point in their careers.
     
  12. kingfisher3

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    if you alter your mental state to fight that's about all it takes.

    totally agree with you it's no excuse for golota and he probably didn't fight high anyway.
     
  13. jdoro63

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    I have to agree. If Andrew fought Byrd and/or Ruiz closer to his prime, maybe he would have managed a stoppage win. But the 2004 version of Golota who challenged Ruiz and Byrd had a permanently injured left shoulder from a car accident and was past his physical prime. Despite this, Golota still managed very good performances and deserved to win. The Byrd fight was better IMO (the Ruiz bout featured too much clinching).

    And you're right about Golota's purse. He earned around $15 million for all of his fights in the ring. He's well-off in his retirement as he invested his money in properties in New Jersey as well as allocated his funds in other mediums. The Polish national hero resides in Chicago, IL, with his wife Mariola (a general practice attorney) with whom he has two children. These days – as a retiree – Golota is a family man, who has spent a lot of time supporting his son with his tennis dream.
     
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  14. jdoro63

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    So you're telling me the '04 version of Tyson who was embarrassed by Danny Williams would defeat the '04 version of Golota who basically beat Byrd and Ruiz for a title? Not a chance. The Tyson of 2005 would have gotten knocked out by the Golota of that time (despite the fact the latter was past his prime too).

    If Andrew never sustained those injuries and his fight with Mike had continued, then around rounds 5-6 Tyson would have been the one who quit and left the ring. Golota would have done the exact same thing Kevin McBride did to Tyson. By 2000, Tyson no longer had the motivation or strength to be competitive against A-level talents. Between 2000 and 2005, over a stretch of fighting eight different heavyweights in eight bouts, he faced only two A-level talents: Lewis and Golota.
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    Perhaps.. But if that's your best argument....
     
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