Could Marciano make 168lbs if he turned pro today?

Marciano was such a small heavyweight because he trained so hard for a 15 round fight. If he trained for a twelve round fight I can only deduce that he would adjust his training as well. I mean, the man ran 10 miles each day. That's a hell of a lot of calories being burnt.

If we are debating what he would weigh if he doesn't change his training whatsoever then I would say he makes 168 early in his career then moves up to light heavyweight.

 

yeah, guys make 15-20lb cuts.

how much he would lose in performance because of it is hard to tell.
agree with dagowop on him mostly fighting at 175 today.

 

If heavyweights got called "heavyweight" there would be no need for cruiserweight.

Everybody who could physically cut to 200lb (with modern methods) just for the weigh in itself would cut to 200lb and fight above that.

Superheavyweights would get called Superheavyweight and the world would be a better place.

 

Cruiserweight actually used to be the name of the light heavyweight division by the English.
They later called it lighter heavyweight before it became light heavyweight.

 

yeah, heavyweight has to be the top division.

 

I get what you mean if you are talking about both classes claiming to be the real HW champion, but that's never been a problem with Amatuer boxing has it? SHW will be the larger and HW smaller but not necessarily lesser weight class.

I'm only talking of a name change that's all. Everybody coped with Super welter from light middle. Why not Cruiser to heavyweigh and HW to SHW?

There would be a distinction between HW and SHW. So that's not more heavyweight champions. Same champs as we have now just different name for the cruisers and a different name for the heavyweights . It Brings things exactly in line with Olympic and Amatuer boxing.

That way fans of more traditional boxing could concentrate on the HW division (which was the former cruiser weight division) as the real heavyweight class and descendent of the classic era.

Then fans of the bodybuilding size over skill merchants can concentrate on the evolution of proficient giants facing each other.

 

Wouldn't you say what we have now is worse?

Over 90% of the greatest ever heavyweights are within the CW division (especially with a 24hour weigh in) yet what is seen as the premier division (by the public) is really a SHW division . A minuscule of great "HW" fighters come from this SHW weight bracket.

The word cruiser weight is not fit for purpose.

It would not be a marketing problem at all. What we have now is HW under false pretences. It's actually SHW. In another industry the equivalent of calling a 224lb fighter a cruiser Wright would be a Trade description offence.

 

Totally disagree.

Wilder, Haye, Byrd, Toney, Holyfield, Adamek.

There have been plenty of good men who are not really bigger than previous champions.

The only difference is we had a SHW champ who bent the rules and made himself unbeatable.

Don't forget the most recent champ was dropped by a former CW champ himself.

 

I think you misunderstand me. There would be the same number of champions. HW champions and SHW champions. The word cruiserweight gets forgotten. It was never used in Amatuer boxing. I think they got it right not to introduce it in the first place. The public understands that. Today the public ask "what is a cruiserweight". They don't watch the olympics and say "what is a heavyweight" or "what is a super heavyweight". It's totally coherent and accepted.

in 200 years time they will find more and more ways to carry even more muscle and artificial mass and still be functional. Perhaps P.e.ds will be allowed officially or perhaps some genetically modified Frankensteins will walk the earth. Boxing gloves could be replaced by some invisible cosmic force field cushioning the fist. It will be unrecognisable unless things change now.

Its not doubling ANYTHING. Overnight the HW champions Joshua, Wilder and Parker become SHW champions and the champions currently called Cruiserweights become the real heavyweights. When a CW title fight takes place it gets billed as a HW title fight. That's a problem for nobody. The guys ARE heavyweights because in the ring they scale the same as over 90% of the greatest heavyweight champions of all time as the public understand it.

When a crusierwight fight happens it should be called heavyweight because The public are watching heavyweights. When Joshua defends his SHW title the public are watching SHW boxing. No confusion.

 

If there were still one Champ per division it would be a lot easier to experiment with a SHW Champ.

But yea I can see it getting messy.

 

I understand exactly what you are saying, you are saying ten heavyweight champions. You are saying, wether they are officially called SHW or HW each of the ten are marketing themselves as a "kind" of heavyweight champion. I just don't know why you would say that. Or why you want to imply I am ignoring anything you are saying.

My answer to this is both divisions already have their own identity. The public already understand that SHW will be the biggest and separate from heavyweight because SHW has been in Olympic boxing for how many years now?

Joshua is not going to be marketed as a heavyweight after the name of his division officially becomes SHW. He won't want to be. It in no way has less appeal than HW.

I think the public need to be afforded more intelligence than you are giving them. super lightweight and lightweight caused no problems at all did it?

The term cruiser weight has no appeal even though it is heavyweight. In reality it even represents modern, Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson sized heavyweights.