Name for name: Carl Froch resume vs Joe Calzaghe resume

Come on school ain't open yet

You said froch could not give it he don't BRI g this he an t got that so no fight excuse
I taught you the lesson of who your statement was werong in what ward and direll did
And you can have this class for free

 

Froch vs. Pascal
Froch vs. Taylor
Froch vs. Dirrell
Froch vs. Kessler
Froch vs. Abraham
Froch vs. Johnson "Calzaghe's best wins are comparable to this one"
Froch vs. Ward
Froch vs. Bute

 

I don't duck questions.


To my knowledge, Joe didn't duck anyone at SMW, although some people think he ducked a rematch with Robin Reid.

I actually spoke to Robin Reid on FaceBook about 6 weeks ago, and he said that Frank W wouldn't give him the rematch.

Other than that, nobody. I know Joe wanted to fight Ottke and Beyer, and I've no doubt he'd have beaten them both. But I'm struggling to see how your question is relevant here.


Just to recap:

I said that in my honest opinion, even if Joe hadnt have retired in 2008, he wouldn't have gone on to face Dawson.

You said it would have been a no-brainer.


Obviously, you're trying to use your question as evidence that he would have fought Dawson at some point, and you knew before you typed it what answer I would give. Again, apart from a rematch with Reid, he didn't duck anybody at SMW. But how is that evidence that he wouldn't have ducked the likes of Dawson at LHW, when we KNOW he'd said the following:

"I'm not interested in Bute. He's doesn't excite me and he's done nothing to warrant a fight"

?

After hearing Joe make that statement, I think it's fare to assume that the chances of him going on to fight Dawson wouldn't have been high.


What other questions would you like answering?

 

Your question has now been answered.


There is no waffle.

Wreck away.

I know you won't be able to.

 

If you believe that then you didn't see Eubank in the early 90s. He was in no way the same fighter. Physically he may have been close-ish (apart from the weight loss) but mentally he just wasn't the same guy. His 2 close fights at cruiser afterwards said more about Carl Thompsons skill set than Eubsnk

Bute was the better win, no doubt. What's more Froch, fresh out the s6, went right for what many considered number 2 next to Ward at 168. JC may have been the better fighter but I know who I'm going to remember fondly 20 years from now.

 

Reid lost his very next fight after and didnt look very good in that fight at all

Its relevant as you have said that if Calzaghe stayed at LHW (a division he had just moved into) and didnt retire that you dont think he would face Dawson, but as you agree there wasnt anyone in the division he was champ in that you felt he avoided. So you think based on there not being anyone he avoided in the division that he was in, that he would avoid someone else in another division, even though that fighter looked like he was close to being stopped by a fighter beaten by a fighter Calzaghe had beaten,
I think Lacy looked more formidable (not saying he was or wasnt) than Dawson at the times the fights were talked of and Calzaghe fought several greater fighters

Never used those words but yes I think had he stayed at LHW and not retired that it would have been a fight that would have ended up happening as I think it would have been demanded and unavoidable

Never seen that but im not sure what Bute has to do with any of this as nobody was talking about that and the only thing I recall being mentioned around that time from a poster on here was either from Bute or his team that it was said he was not ready for Calzaghe or Kessler at that time, and he had only just become a champ by fighting Berrio.
I can see why he wouldnt be interested in Bute when there was a bigger fight with Hopkins ahead.

? Dawson and Bute are 2 complete different fighters in different weight divisions, but I wonder if you meant Dawson instead of Bute.
If so maybe Dawson wouldnt have interested him much until it gets hyped and money is involved but I still think had Calzaghe not retired and been a long running LHW champ like he was SMW champ that the fight would have happened due to demand at that time with an American champ and Calzaghe having fought twice there at that time[/QUOTE]

 

I already wrecked your posts

 

You really rate Dirrell.
What was Dirrells best SMW win?

 

If you look a few posts back you will see how I made Dino pull a few ducks. I genuinely dont think he is aware of boxing back then. There has been a few things that I have seen him slip up on and he cant debate the subject.
Im sure it was him when A few years ago when we were talking this same subject and I questioned him about who was the main event fighter that night when Calzaghe fought Eubank and they claimed that they couldnt recall and was only watching because they were a Eubank fan and new he was fighting. Another poster had to tell him it was Hamed. I was having a bit of fum watching them trying to debate when they couldnt tell you anything at all about the card the fight was on. Classic stuff.
Trust me Stamina. A good poster like yourself is wasting time with others that are debating something they did not even watch. Even had a few who werent old enough to have watched write that they know as much from Boxrec lol

 

in your opinion, so thanks yes thats safe mate.

you're badly lost. come back when you return to earth.

 

Calzaghe's "best wins" are the undefeated Mikkel Kessler in the middle of his best run of results at Super Middleweight and who would defeat Carl Froch a couple of years down the line, and a Bernard Hopkins widely regarded at the time as the best Light Heavyweight in the world and rated one of the five best fighters across all divisions.

Glen Johnson gets no where near either Kessler or Hopkins.

 

I've seen every eubank fight from his pro career. like I said, eubank was NOT absolutely peaked but he was still functional enough to be better than Bute.I never rated Bute all that much, he was ok for B-fighter.

You'll remember froch more "fondly" because he was much more challenged during his career. That's something too,elite fighters are rarely in wars, they have such superior talents there's no reason to struggle so much.

I can't believe ANYONE is truly believing froch beat better fighters than calz, "shot" is b.s., but hops being ktfo was because he's too slow now but I would be extremely confident that this 50 year old hops would not could but would beat a prime froch, for sure

 

JC's 70% KO ratio is nothing to turn your nose up at, he lacked the 1 punch KO power of an Abraham and seemed to have more effect on lesser opponents but he hit hard and frequent enough to dictate from the get go, this is why I give credit to Roy taking it for 12 rnds and think he still had something in the tank.

However I can def see were your coming from, its a strong argument against this version of Roy that makes me want to re-watch the fight to see if I'm clutching at straws and if my opinion changes on it, been a fair few years since I tuned in to that one! Cant promise my heart and head will sway away from Roy but your view has made me curious.

All the best Orca!

 

You think Froch actually won?

 

LOL. In all actuality, who the hell did Kessler beat before facing Calzaghe? Nobody.
Once Kessler hit the real stage he got wrecked and then the tune was changed to, "He was out of prime".
Even though he got outboxed for 11 rounds, Froch's win over Taylor is better than Calzaghe's win over Kessler.