Heavyweights. Old timers vs modern.

Good job Upp, because if you didn't say it i don't know if anyone else would've. So if that's the case you're basically saying that from 1988 until today that you like modern fighters over the Golden era. So my next question is when did the Golden era start?

 

So Heart and Determination vs Steroids (Holyfield belongs in both eras, LOL)? I'll take the Golden Era.

 

I'm a few days from being banned again so I'll let someone else answer this.

 

What? Lol... Ite.

 

Probably when Ali snatched the title from Liston?

 

I disagree. I would say starting from the fight of the century, because that is when there was a lot of good fighters in one era like Ali, Frazier, Norton and Foreman. Apart from Ali in the 60s and considering Liston went on to fighting nobodies in Europe after the Ali fight, the 60s was pretty poor competition.

 

I said that because Ali brought something new to the division, a 6'3 pure boxer who could move like Sugar Ray. Like Lewis did in 90s and Klitschkos after him did with being 250 lbs giants with decent to good skills which was probably the start of the modern era.

 

So we have the dates. 1964-1988 and 1988 till present. Does everyone agree? If so, then we can truly judge which generation was better.

 

I'm fine with that. Personally always thought of the Golden era as just the 70s. I thought everyone was the same.

 

Gotta include the 84 Olympians who turned pro lol...

 

Fighting evolved into the sweet science around the 30's and 40's. It went well up until the early noughties , then it all fell apart.

 

The Golden era shits all over the modern era. Lol

 

You'll have to elaborate on your last paragraph mate.

I'm confused.

 

It was mostly a digression. I think you mentioned something about what I think of h2h progress in the lower weights or something like that, and I said I don't think it's likely to have progressed remotely as much hws.

Basically, all the tangible sports have been getting bigger(or in some cases smaller). Perfecting body types is probably the lead driver in sport improvement(there's a good "Ted talk" video, that both sides seem to like, floating around out there that examines that and other issues around why records have broken).

But you can't really change your body much when you have to weigh a certain amount. Only boxing and combat sports do that, so we don't have an analog for record breaking/athletic progress in those situations. So, for those reasons, I'm inclined to think h2h hasn't changed nearly as much at the lower weights.

 

That's one reason I like the heavyweight decision so much. I can't wait to see what heavyweights look like in 20 years time.