Name for name: Carl Froch resume vs Joe Calzaghe resume

jcwangel,

I fully respect your opinion.

I've enjoyed reading your posts.

I'm one of Roy's biggest fans. But I just don't see how he'd have beaten Bute in 2008, at either SMW or LHW. Bute was a top SMW, he was highly regarded, he was talented, and he was obviously a southpaw. In my honest opinion, the fight would have been decided upon each fighters mentality. I believe that Bute would have been supremely confident, knowing that he'd have got a shell of Roy in front of him who was 40 years old. Roy on the other hand would have been extremely cautious, knowing that Bute was a top fighter, and that he was no longer the fighter he'd been. The devastating knockout losses made him gun shy. You could see it in his 3rd fight with Tarver in 2005, and in his 3 comeback fights against: Ajamu, Hanshaw and Trinidad. Psychology plays a huge part in determining the result of a fight. To beat Bute, Roy would had to have been aggressive and ultra confident. But again, I think he'd have been ultra cautious and reserved. Yes, he knocked Joe down. But that was a mistimed shot due to his timing being out. If Roy had dropped Joe like that in a fight 5-6 years earlier, he'd have jumped on him as soon as he'd gotten up. Tarver and Johnson took Roy's 'Superman' confidence and ego. I honestly believe that if Roy had fought Bute, he wouldn't have truly believed he could have pulled out the win. So I can envisage a cautious chess match, where Bute would have won on points, but where Roy would have walked away unharmed with everyone's respect.

Regarding a fight prime for prime, I think Roy would have broken him mentally and won relatively comfortably on points.

 

Good post. But again, in my opinion, it all comes down to the mindset of each fighter.

When Roy was prime, his opponents were broken mentally. Either after a few rounds, or before they even got in to the ring.

Let's look at a fighter who I like in Groves:

Adam Booth's/Paddy Fitzpatrick's game plan, would have been for George to rush and pressure Roy like Glen Johnson did. George's instructions wouldn't have been to outbox him like Joe did, and how Bute would have tried to do. George would have been convinced that Roy was vulnerable and there for the taking.

After his defeats to Carl, George seemed to have lost confidence and he was more cautious. Again, it's psychology.


I would have favoured the version of George who fought Carl in their first fight, over a 40 year old version of Roy at either SMW or a CW.

 

bailey,

So what?

Do we really need to look at the resumes of some of Joe's opponents before they fought him?

It really is this simple:

Due to Joe saying in 2008, that he didn't rate Dawson and he'd done nothing to warrant a fight, I don't believe that he'd have gone on to have fought him the following year.

I don't care that he didn't avoid anyone when he was at SMW.

If he wasn't interested in Dawson in 2008, there's simply no logic in saying it would have been a no-brainer that they'd have fought in 2009 had Joe not retired.

Why would it have ended up happening?

Why would he have changed his mind?

He wouldn't fight Tarver.

He wouldn't fight Pavlik.

Why would he fight a guy who he said he wasn't interested in the previous year?

It's illogical.

You're kidding yourself.

 

You don't even read them, never mind wreck them.

 

Andre Dirrell's best win at SMW was against Carl.

 

LOL!
If you base your hopes on ESB posters, then you are lost.
Most people here said Bute would KO Froch, Ward and Kessler.

They also said Vitali would beat Lewis, but TKO6!

 

I guess it depends on the circumstances. But how much credit can you give him for beating Roy, when we know he wouldn't have gone near him when he was prime, and we know that a year before he fought him, he said that he thought Roy had been shot since 2004?

 

America because idiots like you and Uppercut Artist think it's ok for Yanks to fight exclusively in the USA but other fighters are bums if they don't travel.

If you're the champion and the bigger name you call the shots.

 

ah so you have to go to america to fight americans.

thanks for the revelation genius. no wonder we all idiots to you when this is your genius level of deduction and you've not even noticed it yet.

 

Yes because most Americans don't travel.

Trying to be clever again Herol, just woke up have we for another day on the dole.

 

ah "americans dont travel". Anything to try and cover up joes travelling inadequacies.

 

Add up how many times JC superstar fought outside of Wales, then tally up an American like say Hopkins did outside of the US then come back to me.

 

outside of britian you mean. ahaha flop, destoryed by your own argument.

i barely need to write an answer, just nod and smile.