Could Marciano make 168lbs if he turned pro today?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Dec 4, 2016.


  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,436
    2,839
    Feb 18, 2012
    So by that logic all fights throughout the history of the sport should be reassessed to make sure both fighters fought in the same division they weighed in at.......
     
  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,436
    2,839
    Feb 18, 2012
    How about bring the CW division back down to it's original limit and have the HW limit set to 220lb, that would make anyone over 220lb a SHW.

    Or we could just leave the division just like it is.....
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    82,092
    22,177
    Sep 15, 2009
    Nothing needs to change.

    Evolution means people get bigger, that isn't a problem.

    A great little guy will still beat a good big guy. And if we have a great big guy then he deserves his place.

    My only issue is I don't like clinching. Remove that and we see higher skill in the top division again.
     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,658
    Dec 31, 2009
    It's not evolution that makes people bigger in boxing because (as you say yourself) SHW sized giants have always featured within the ranks of the division that used to be HW to lesser or greater degrees.

    The great big guy deserves his place in his own division. The SHW division. It's what we have now!

    What we have is two divisions with the wrong name. HW is the wrong name for SHW and CW is the wrong name for HW sized men.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    82,092
    22,177
    Sep 15, 2009
    Change every division then.

    WW is the wrong name for MW sized men.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,658
    Dec 31, 2009
    You might have a point but the difference is when a welterweight turns pro more often he goes into the pro welter division. When a heavyweight turns pro he moves into the pro CW division. When a SHW turns pro he's in the pro heavyweight division. The names are wrong.
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    82,092
    22,177
    Sep 15, 2009
    Upon what's stats do you base that on?
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,658
    Dec 31, 2009
    HW is the wrong name for the SHW division. CW is the wrong name for heavyweights. The public deserve clarity.

    An intresting stat is that Mike Tyson falls within the in the ring weight of a CW now. It's just wrong calling him a CW. It is not wrong calling Wlad a SHW.
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    82,092
    22,177
    Sep 15, 2009
    Every division has that same issue due to the 24 hour weigh in.
     
  10. mostobviousalt

    mostobviousalt Active Member banned Full Member

    519
    103
    Jun 4, 2016
    But CW is the original name of the LHW division.
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,658
    Dec 31, 2009
    Exactly. That's how wishy washy that name is. It never really meant anything. Now genuine HW boxers are within its class. It's time for that name to go. Keep the division just call it what it is. heavyweight.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    113,351
    48,712
    Mar 21, 2007
    I can't help that.

    And fortunately it doesn't matter as it will never happen.
     
  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    82,092
    22,177
    Sep 15, 2009
    Let's go further we'll take the average fight night weights of the top ten in every division and rename it in line with the same day weigh in era.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,658
    Dec 31, 2009
    I'm fine with that, though it seems less necessary than the urgency of needing to address two divisions having the wrong name and not being in line with Amateur Boxing.
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,658
    Dec 31, 2009
    Stranger things have happened.