Name for name: Carl Froch resume vs Joe Calzaghe resume

Herol is a weak pathetic cretin on here, he's to dumb to be malicious.

I offered him a job but he went quiet.

 

He realy doesnt know what he is trying to debate. Got a bit boring correcting him

 

Forget it bailey you let yourself down I got off Merry go round weeks ago you can lead a horse to water and all
People on this very thread are rethinking joes so called greatness

 

LOL.
Kessler was faded?
Who did he fight prior to Froch to take the fight out of him, Mundane?
Kessler was not past prime when he fought Froch or Ward. Instead he was at his peak, buy unfortunately, that is just how soft his peak was.
Like I said before, Kessler was alright as long as he sat in Copenhagen fighting foes like Andrade and Mundane, but once he stopped up to real world class he was exposed as just barely a slightly better boxer than Froch and a Grove level fighter.

 

jcwangel,

Your posts have also been great.

It's been a real pleasure to read them.

It's really interesting to ponder isn't it.

Maybe a guy like George could have been overawed in facing a legend like Roy? Or maybe he'd have seen the opportunity to enhance his career over a faded legend, and taken it with both hands. I don't know. But I honestly believe that Bute would have been supremely confident in beating him before he lost to Carl. It was power and pressure that troubled Bute. Again, if he'd have fought Roy, I think it would have been a cautious chess match.

I understand your points, but again, to take Bute out of his comfort zone as a boxer, you had to fight him as a fighter. Again, Roy wouldn't have fought him. He wouldn't have pressured him aggressively. And unless you'd have done that, Bute would have remained in his confirm zone in a an actual boxing match as opposed to a fight.

I've got something else for you to ponder:

I think if the version of Roy who'd fought Joe, had fought the version of Carl who'd beaten Bute, either at SMW or a CW, I think Carl would have taken him out. I honestly believe that.

After Roy had lost to Joe, he took his frustrations out on lower level guys like Ottke and Lacy. He toyed with them. He had supreme confidence and he didn't show them an ounce of respect. He could do whatever he wanted to. If you look at the Lacy fight, there's glimpses of Roy from his peak. But then just 3 months later, Danny Green beat him in a round.

Again, I've thoroughly enjoyed debating with you. There's nothing better than having a great debate with a knowledgeable poster, in a civilised manner.

You could well be right and may be wrong. We'll never know.

If you have the time, yes, by all means go and watch Roy's fights from around that period. I'd love to know if your opinion changes.

 

So you made a comment and when shown otherwise come out with something irrelevant? It is because alot of you post with an agenda as to why I can school you all do much with facts and every time people try and change the subject rather than answer and still they fall down

 

Yet Kessler beat Mundine in Australia. Sure the Calzaghe loss may have taken something out of Kessler but the eye problems after I think was when he was coming to the end which was just before the S6. I recall how it was noted his timing was off and that it was reported that he didnt look his best before the S6 yet he still beat Froch with eye problems so I think that shows when faded how he was a level above and do you not think he has a better chin than Groves?
Still you keep saying about Denmark but when did Ward try his chances in a world title fight outside of America? In fact tell me how many American or American based SMWs have won big fights or world title fights away. Wait for it. Denmark... Denmark... Kessler was in Denmark.

 

As stated hundred times Joe was more or less at home wales Newcastle London its Joe territory against st away fighters
Died Joe got booed out the place eubank was not the eubank of old and Joe refused to get his passport out I said weeks back you may know more about yoiyoiur hero and his time in the sun which you ignored then gave some one props for doing the same thi g
I will be honest Joe bored the shyte out of me and so do you especially on your boyfriend Joe
As said I'm cloise to putting you o. Ignore and I never want to use that tool as I believe I'm pretty tolerant but your one above even the khan fan boys
Go speak to Reid and get in touch with Gabriel Clark I'm sure they know more than yaou

 

Odins beard,

Okay. But what money fights were there for him at SMW? He was fighting guys like Veit for a reported £700,000. According to Bailey, he genuinely wanted to fight Roy at his peak. Yet he didn't move up to LHW or go to the U.S. He instead (supposedly) wanted Roy to fight him for huge money in Wales at SMW. Which would have been like Ricky Hatton calling Floyd out, but expecting him to drop to LWW and to fight him in Manchester.

The question is:

Why did he struggle to make weight to remain at SMW, when he could have moved up to LHW much earlier?

In my opinion, the answer is obvious:

Because he was more than content to face all of the guys he faced. Again, he boasted of his number of WBO defences. He was immensely proud of them. And only around 6 of those defences were mandatories.

Why didn't he target Dariusz to make waves at LHW?

Joe would have done something that Roy would never have done:

Fought in Germany.

He fought Veit in Germany. Also, in the early 00's, the WBO informed Joe that if he wanted to move up to LHW, they would make him the no.1 contender to their current champion, based on how many defences of their title he'd made at SMW.

It took him 10 years to clean house.

Who else would have waited that long?

When Roy couldn't unify at SMW, he went straight up to LHW.

I don't believe that SMW division was stronger than SMW in the late 90's-early 00's. As well as guys like Roy and Dariusz, you'd got guys such as: R Johnson, Griffin, Nunn, Tarver, Rochigianni and Harding etc. And even if you're right, those names were more recognisable than most of the names who Joe fought at that point. And you've also got to note that Joe knew he couldn't unify the division against Ottke. So take Ottke out of the picture at SMW, and then compare the division to the LHW one.

I've seen interviews with Joe from 2003 and 2004, where he knew he couldn't unify, and he admitted that there was nothing else on the horizon at the time. He said that if his circumstances didn't change within 6 months or so, he'd seriously have to contemplate moving up to fight the likes of Dariusz. Yet nothing changed. So what does that tell you about his mindset? He couldn't get Ottke or Beyer in the ring, Kessler and Lacy weren't on the scene back then, but he still remained at SMW regardless, where he struggled to come down from around 190 pounds. That speaks volumes.

If he'd have moved up to LHW and fought in the U.S. and impressed, then surely he'd have had the opportunity to have made significantly more money than he was making at home fighting guys like Salem and Ashira etc.

He may not have had his victories over Lacy and Kessler had he have moved up to LHW a lot earlier than he did. But then again, there's a good chance that he could have fought Roy and Hopkins earlier, as well as possibly: Dariusz, Tarver, and Johnson etc. Obviously we'll never know. But it's more than possible that he could have achieved more than what he actually did.

 

Mundine who got beat off clottey who lost to rasado honestly to fhooking god
And no Joe fangive it but he was weight drained he was past his best hypocritical mother fhookers

 

Once again wrong. Calzaghe was the away fighter in Newcastle against Reid. You see how you really dont know. I bet you are not even aware of some of the things that happened on the run up to that fight either when Calzaghe fought that fight.

With what you dont know, I would say its you who should be investigating further before commenting. You seem to be having trouble typing and going all over the place.
The thing is, that I use facts and if you put me on ignore for facts then it shows how you want to be in denial of any truths you do not like. Shame if you do but put me on ignore and go around with your head in the sand but thats up to you.
Not sure why putting forward facts makes someone my hero but certainly going anti when you dont know the facts says far more.
Calzaghe was born in London but grew up in Wales. His father is Italian but I think many considered him Welsh. Tell me if Calzaghe had of been born in China would you have considered him Chinese?
A way of not answering will be to put me on ignore

 

we were talking about the time when Kessler was fighting Calzaghe and their quality of opposition leading up to that fight.
if you weren't aware of the time frame how on earth could you known when froch was or wasn't around?

 

Omg Reid runcorn Joe London both from England so no your wrong bailey do you understand geography stuck to copy and pasting quotes from half a decade ago
Even died hard Joe fasns are swaying so it cannot be that sdsdolid his CV
I stopped read at Reid was the home fighter both warren fighters one who was protected and not made to get his pass port out now good day you boring mumbling agenda driven bell end

 

I have only read this top part of your post

And I dont recall ever making that statement. Please dont make up stories

 

Joe beat Kessler and eleven months later froch had it he was meant to fight inkin for it sooner but he pulled out the retired rather than face froch so over came pascal whilst the young hungry champion calling Joe all sorts and Joe then goes to fight nard then and its funny how long he let rkoy fade
Joe left all theses un awnsered qeustionsno one eles