Golota would beat both Klitschkos

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  1. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Meh. He could've. I've seen bigger upsets.

    Or are we going to stick to la-la land where the thought that an upset is possible is somehow completely offensive in a sport with a 10 mile long list of them?
     
  2. FrankinDallas

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    Just winding you up, amigo. Chicago is a fun town, but seriously I could not take the weather. And I grew up in NYC.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    It's all good bro. I know you meant no dissrespect. I've spent quite a bit a time on the east coast. Sister lived in Boston for about ten years and I Visited during some pretty brutal winters. But yeah the weather here sucks this time of year
     
  4. ticar

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    Ok, good post... I disagree about vitali's quit job, he was winning the fight and he had no need to calculate against a guy much smaller and weaker than him, with basically no pop in his punches...

    As for wlad, i think you really can't find a hw champ that was so terrified to get hit, even lewis would play cool and bring his hands low when got hit, wlad just panics and grabs... And even against small featherfisted fighters like chambers which is disgraceful and cowardly..
    He rised off the canvas against peter and won the fight, i give him props for that, lewis never did that.
    But the way the fight went... Wlad throwing everything at peter who stand up to it, chased him around ring and knocked him down few times, and wlad excessive clinching... You can only say that peter was the warrior in that fight
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Okay so let's say that all wlad does is panics and grabs.. Suppose golata hit him and wlad ties him up, recovers then goes back to boxing Andrews ears off. Then what ? Or how about this.. Given Andrews tendency to quit altogether ( Rather than going the panic and grab routine as wlad does ) then what happens when wlad hits him with a barrage of shots and gets him hurt. Does Andrew continue to get up repeatedly as wlad did against Peter or does he call no mas? See where I'm going with this ?
     
  6. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You think wlad would hit him as much as crude slugger like peter?
    Golota outjabbed bowe who had an eddie futch developed jab... He has good head movement and footwork, wlad would be reluctant to throw anything except a jab and would be busy defending golota's jab.

    I think wlad is gonna have problems with golota inside, he won't tie him up easily, and he better be careful when golota fires combos inside. Has wlad ever fought a boxer with an inside game, let alone like golota?
    I think he would get terrified if golota starts with dirty tactics, and wouldn't know what to do, how to react....not a natural fighter simply.
    When golota hits him low he's gonna be reluctant to grab golota and that's where golota has a chance to rip combos on him and knock him out.
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Some good points. But the Problem is that most of your argument hinges on Golatas fights with Bowe and there are a few issues with this. As already stated Bowe was on the decline when he met Golata and it's been well documented. For another Golata relied on fouling tactics which did two things. 1. It weakened Bowe as the fight went on which is partially why Andrew was able to do what he did to him and 2. It ultimately got him disqualified which would happen to him in virtually every fight. Lastly, Andrew never again had a marquee performance against a world class opponent. He quit against Lewis. He quit against grant. He quit against a shot Tyson. He got blasted in one round against Brewster. And despite these quit jobs you play it off as though wlads lack of heart was the real issue and not Andrews when in fact, wlad was never again stopped after 2004 and went on to reigning the heavyweight division for 10 years.. Wlad isn't the bigger of the two offenders when it comes time to panicking and quitting.. Golata is... And wlad beat plenty of opponents whom vary little in the way of quality to Golata...
     
  8. he grant

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    Still waiting to hear your claim of who Golota ever beat .. you keep running back to Bowe who I happen to respect .. since English is obviously not your first or second language we can excuse some of your ignorance but not all .. again, who did Golota ever beat to be rated ahead of either Klitschko .. take your time and use small words if necessary .. ;)
     
  9. ticar

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    Some good points here, i think the main misunderstood between us is that you actually focus on golota's career, resume and other perfomances, while i focus on bowe fights and hypothetical use of that version in h2h match ups, like there is no other golota fights... Like using the tokyo douglas version instead of the version that kinda quit in holyfield and tucker fights.. Or ruddock that took tyson punches for 12 rounds, instead the damaged version that got sparked in two by lewis... Or for instance bowe from the first holyfield fight
    Golota was obviously damaged after the bowe fights and never the same

    Golota was a quitter in his career no doubt...
    But if you look at the second bowe fight, bowe being shot but still better than any other Klitschko opponent except fury...
    Golota displayed good skills, and even came back from the knockdown and ate some good shots from bowe, showing heart for the first and obviously the last time in his career... He ultimately quit cause of bowe's incredible heart, will and chin.

    So taking that golota version, who took some shots from bowe, got up after the knockdown, showing some will and heart, like wlad in the sam peter fight... I think has a good shot at beating the klits.
    And as i said, i don't think the klits are gonna handle well golota dirty tactics, like bowe did... It may shock them, and get wlad on a panic mode losing his confidence in the clinch and creating opportunities for golota

    And i don't think the klits beat anyone good as golota version from bowe fights... Someone that packs that kinda of size and skills, but hey try to convince me.
     
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  10. ticar

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    When did i say that golota should be ahead of either Klitschko, or that he has a better resume?
    Simply saying that he showed me more skills in bowe fights, even if it is a losing perfomances, than klits in their fights... And thus has a good chance to beat them, considering his size, skills and style, not a good match up for them...
    Now ask me again.... Who did he beat
     
  11. HerolGee

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    both isnt going to happen, vitali had golotas number.

    however against the weaker chinned wlad, golota has a good chance.
     
  12. ticar

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    Why do you think vitali had his number?

    Vitali took few punches from lewis and all of sudden people say he has a great chin. Who hit him beside the lewis fight?
    Golota took some good punches from bowe too...

    And golota did better against past prime bowe than vitali vs past prime lewis, showed more versatility and boxing skills, vitali vs lewis looked like a sloppy brawl...
     
  13. HerolGee

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    oh, my apologies, i thought vitali beat golota.

    I wasnt aware they didnt fight,
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    Perhaps American exceptionalism is looking at interviews of Bowe in 1991 and comparing them to ones in 1996 and hearing a slur in his speech.
     
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  15. dinovelvet

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    Yes , good point. Golota did display a greater skill-set vs Bowe than Vitali vs Lewis.

    Ziko Merovic did better than Vitali against a much better version of Lewis. I don't know how anybody could dispute that. Vitali's legacy is based off getting trashed by the former era's champ as he was on the way out the door. Its like Marciano losing to Louis , Tyson losing to Holmes , Ali to Liston etc.. That doesn't happen to true greats.

    Although i do think Vitai was great for his own era and proved it by dominating in impressive fashion. Wlad on the other hand could never even impress or look good against his run of cans.
    Compare Vitati's shut out of Peter to Wlad life and death struggles. Even Helenius looked impressive vs Peter. Why did Wlad look like garbage in an epic struggle where he was ran all round the ring by a useless bum. A guy like Peter makes you look good , not bad.
    But his fans just don't want to acknowledge these facts and thats why they didn't see the Fury loss coming.

    Lets talk about the guts to continue on wards while im here. Golota took back to back fights against Bowe after sustaining terrible injuries in the first fight. He then had the guts to go straight up against another ATG vs Lewis. 3 fights in a row against the cream of the crop.

    Wlad gets blitzed by Sanders- fights Moli. Avoids the rematch out right.
    Gets blitzed again by Brewster- fights Williamson , who just so happened to beat him again. Then fights another no namer.

    A few years after Lewis , Golota fights another ATG and gets his skull shattered. You don't get more of a reason to hang em up than a skull shattering. Yet Golota came back again. And came back and beat Byrd defacto. Vitali was unable do beat Byrd in his prime.
    Golota then gets bulldozed worse than Wlad ever did nearing his 40's against Brewster. He still continued on to fight young lion Mike Mollo 3 years later and won.
    Id like to see Wlad come back after sustaining a cracked skull. He wouldn't , but Golota fought on for 13 years after that.

    Wlad had a huge multi million pound team around him that insured the system would be rigged to his favour. If anybody had more guts to continue on it was Golota , by large.
     
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