Heavyweights. Old timers vs modern.

I even disagree with some of the ones where you pick the modern over the older fighter(until he shows more, I'm picking Holy over Joshua). The only picks of yours that I'd agree with are Ali Moorer and Foreman Briggs.

 

Every rational boxing fan that came across that chit rag called it out for exactly what it what it was. The guy was a pure troll. He didn't even try to hide it either claiming Mormeck would be the best guy on Ali's resume. And not prime Mormeck either, the 40 y /o shot version Wlad fought was the Mormeck he put forward.
He even spoke about Sam Peter being one of the greatest of all time.
I should have known thats where you were getting all your material. Its amazing how the weak can be so easily brainwashed.

 

You're supposed to disagree that's the point of boxing forums.

Bowe is too willing to exchange on the inside and I think Liston is better fighting up close than Bowe and shot for shot I think Bowe crumbles first.

Old Foreman knows exactly what it takes to beat Frazier and would repeat the trick imo. Plus I thought you always considered The old Foreman a better version than the one that actually beat Frazier.

Lewis quite clearly spatters Leon Spinks I have no idea how you can debate that tbh.

Holmes would find a home for the overhand right against Vitali I believe and he's more willing to take the fight to the inside if he's losing and that could make the difference.

I can't believe you would pick Michael over Wlad, i can't even begin to debate that one.

Cunningham was able to get to Fury and Fury has shown he will mix it up on the inside, against Tyson that is suicide.

Joshua is wholly unproven but if the fight was scheduled as his next title defence I'd bet on Joshua to do the job.

 

The only weak minded one is you, moron.

And no, most of my opinions I already formed before seeing the blog. He just gave more fuel to the fire by having data backing me up.

Oh, and you never disappoint, I ask you a civil question, and you inherent stupidity kicks in instead.

 

Put my answers above.

 

Coming from a guy who bought into a troll blog hook line and sinker. I form my own opinions.

 

I don't think anyone is too big and strong for Liston and certainly not someone who fought competitively with a former CW.

Lewis was able to get to Vitali and not because he was tall or had range, but because he took the fight inside. On the outside Lewis was getting beaten up, but once he came inside he ripped his face clean off.

How many people have you seen Fury smother up close? Just because Wlad was able to do it doesn't mean every SHW can.

That may be the case, we haven't seen the best not worst of Joshua, all I can go off is my gut feeling.

 

And will hold onto them no matter how much evidence comes out against it.

You remind me of Charlie Z. Saw a video of him talking about him being goat and showing a frame of his fight against Wilder that made it look like he hurt Wilder. That's you, you pick the least relevant fact or anecdote to support your crazy beliefs, and then hold onto them.

Charlie Z was a poster first, right? I think you should follow his lead and start stalking Wlad until he beats you up. Then you can doctor a video and claim you beat him. You know that's where your headed, right? Might as well get started now.

 

Lewis ripped Vitali's face off because he had the size to reach him and power to cut him. The main cut came from a hard shot from distance Holmes never could have made.

 

How far away was Lewis when that shot was thrown? Have you actually measured it to see if it is outside of the reach of Holmes?

Holmes was able to reach Cooney just fine and the other taller opponents he faced. Plus Holmes is quicker than Lewis and has better timing.

 

Cooney is not Vitali. Cooney gave up his height all the time. I watched the fight again the other way and there is just no way Holmes lands as hard as Lewis with that shot, if at all. Holmes never fought some remotely as big or good as Vitali. Add on top ofd that that he struggled with much lesser jabbers, and it's a stylistic nightmare for Holmes. Tyson would have a much better shot than Holmes against Vitali.

 

Probably more involved with family and work, that is what always happens. Probably did not want to keep on paying for the site to be online with no intention of updating it. Well after you've read the articles you can apply it to any heavyweight. I would of liked to know where he sourced some of the information on his site. I know a lot of it was Boxrec, but things like finding out how many boxers over 200 pounds were fighting in any giving decade would be helpful.

The heavyweight that got me in to boxing was Ali when I was 14, read most of his books, and had a lot of his DVD's. I used to watch the 70s and 90s with a passion, and follow British boxers like Naseem Hamed, and Joe Calzaghe. I did not really following the heavyweight division during the Klitschko region until I was 28. I was brainwashed it to beliving the division was dead, then I came across that boxing blog website, and decided to give it a try. I hated the site with a passion at first, and only read it so I could contradict it with my knowledge on the 70s in the comment section. Then I realised the facts are actually facts, and the logic worked pretty consistently not all the time, but 95% of the time; for example Sonny Liston's KO rate actually increases as the weight of his opponent increases which is weird, but can also be explained by the very few heavyweights he actually fought. Anyway I like Ali, and the Klitschko's, but I hate it when people criticise one by completely different standard to the other, and are just plain hypocrites which happens a lot. Anyway I try and find reasons for Ali being the best heavyweight with actual facts, and logic, but it is a struggle. I go from one extreme to the other with Ali. I would really like to believe Ali was the best heavyweight of all time like I used to. The problem with Ali is people are so hostile about anything suggesting he might not be the best, that it is hard to have a serious discussion about him.

 

Sounds like your the ideal fan, devoted but can learn and change mind faced with overwhelming evidence.

Who knows, no one has a time machine. Maybe on Ali's best day and and off day for others he could beat anyone. Just the evidence suggests otherwise, and that the smaller hw's who hold up usually need power.

I think alot of fans like you are probably driven off by psychopaths like Dino. Try not to take him too seriously, I think of him almost as comic relief or a mascot for the stereotype of irrational nostalgiaists.

 

Holmes does not hit as hard as Vitali, no one would debate that. But Holmes would be able to land on Vitali, of that I've no doubt. Vitali never fought anyone close to Holmes neither. A lot of fantasy matchups involve men who have never competed. Any inside fighter who is skilled enough to get inside will be tough for Vitali. Very few outside fighters would be tough for him but Holmes is one of them. Scratch that Holmes is tough for anyone.

I just matched the men in chronological order.