Canelo vs Degale @ 168, who you got?????

This is Isal remember. He's successfully convinced himself that if 3G beat Liam smith Smith would be his best opponent to date. We both know how he came up with that

 

I phrased that badly. What I meant was all he did was milk the MW belt while staying at LMW (or 1 pound above). That doesn't make him a MW or mean he was fighting in the MW division. He eventually did the right thing and dropped the belt to stay at 154.

 

You're just talking out of your ass. You should be embarrassed for making sheit up.

Canelo has 11 KOs in his 18 fights at Jr. MW
Canelo has 12 KO in his last 18 fights a WW

If you consider that the 18 fights at JrMW have been against MUCH HIGHER CALIBER opposition, then you're theory is complete Garbage.

 

Gotcha. Appreciate the clarification. But...he still fought in the MW division, even if it was pointless and just a pound over. Thing is for me, Canelo had no reason to fight at 155. That's just stupid. Either make the 154 limit, or if moving up, sh*t or get off the pot. I believe Canelo had more then enough time to acclimate himself to 160 rather then take those fights at a pointless weight of 155.

It makes me wonder the intention involved. I think we can agree that, 160 is canelo's max weight. He's too short and stocky for 168 IMO. So had he moved up to 160 officially sooner, I think it would have meant a fight w/ Canelo sooner then GBP wants to admit, or take. Just my little take on that.

 

He said at 168 jack*ss. Look at what you quoted FFS....

 

Watched both fighters a lot and Degale does make mistakes which is why I feel Canelo could take him out with a "Lucky Punch"

 

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I know you're a dumb falk, but Lancey, you've been bordering ******ation lately. Now try reading his quote below.

He's comparing Marquez and Canelo (which is actually a good comparison since both have a similar fight style).
He then states boldly that Alvarez does NOT have the same pop at JrMW than he did at WW. I'm not sure how that stooge and you (if in fact you agree with him, which seems like you do) figure Canelo has lost power as he's moved up.

To prove his ass wrong I stated some FACTS that prove that Canelo's KO percentage is virtually the same at WW, and Jr.MW with the key difference being that at Jr.MW he is fighting fighters that are much higher in quality than he did at WW. When you consider that his KO% is pretty much the same at JrMW BUT that it's against higher quality opposition, its VERY HARD TO ARGUE that he is losing POP at he moves up in weight. [You do know not all fighters lose power as they grow into their adult bodies, right?].

What makes that dude's post complete garbage (that you're defending) is that it is statistically incorrect, AND he also states that Canelo is "CLEARLY" losing power as he's moved up in weight. Facts, and evidence, would suggest that dude your defending is CLEARLY talking out of his ass-jole. U dumb falk.

 

What the ****, some other poster brought up Marquez Ko'ing Paq when they quoted my first post, that's what that is about. Are idiots only reading my posts in this thread.

 

You made a claim with ZERO SUBSTANCE. You're being called out on it now.

You said that Canelo's power is less than it was at WW. That is not true according to stats. Do you care to show us how you figured Canelo's power is less since moving up in weight?

 

As clearly as I can put it. I do not believe Alvarez carries what power he has up to 168. I do not feel Alvarez is a good enough boxer to beat DeGale on points at 168. Not enough power to hurt DeGale at 168, and DeGale being the better boxer means Alvarez loses to DeGale at 168. That is the bottom line, and that is why I feel DeGale wins if he fought Alvarez at SMW.

 

God dammit, I'm saying at 168 he would have no punch, because he's not the biggest puncher at JMW he certainly is not going to be 2 weight classes north. What is so ****ing hard to understand about this.

 

We don't know that dude. You said CLEARLY. But its not CLEAR. Canelo is still very young and his body is maturing (growing). He may very well carry his pop, or he may not. We simply do not know. But EVIDENCE has shown us that between 147 and 154, his power has been the same possibly better.

 

Okay so you say he will still have power, I say he wont. No evidence to prove either way, DeGale is still the better boxer and has been fighting at SMW for awhile. I think he will handle whatever power a blown up JMW in Alvarez has at 168 and beats him clearly on points. You're free to believe whatever you want, so am I.

 

I'm not saying anything about his power. I'm just making a correction in your analysis. Like I said, he may or may not carry the power up in weight.

As far as fighting DeGale, Canelo hasn't even had ONE fight above 155. So of course DeGale should be the favorite two divisions above Canelo's.

As far as skills go, Canelo is a fantastic counter puncher. I don't know much about DeGale since I don't really follow his division, so I can't make a comparison.

 

Canelo would outweigh him by 100 pounds in the ring.