Okay, quick story about something that happened today. I thought it was going to be just another day at the gym. I get there around noon, and notice that everyone is wrapping up sparring. I wasn't aware they moved sparring earlier in the day. Damn, that sucks, all that hype and nervous energy for nothing. So I'm warming up, doing my rounds of shadow boxing, and I see this guy staring at me from the corner of the gym. And he shows me his fists turning with his punches and says turn your fists more. "There you go, much better!" Nothing out of the ordinary, there are always other trainers from around the area coming to the gym giving some advice, so I thought nothing of it. Later on my friend says "Know who that is? Oliver McCall." I looked back at the guy sitting in the corner of the gym, and oh snap, that IS Oliver McCall. So I walked up to him, had a nice convo, etc... He was there working closely with one of the prospects at our gym. About an hour later I see him walking around alone, and thought "Damn I should ask him something to learn from, what should I ask..." I walk up to him, and told him that my friends and I are having a debate about whether or not a small heavyweight could beat the big guys today lol. That's exactly how I phrased it. He told me "If you're 6'1 6'2 6'3, one of those guys, and you don't have good ring generalship and power, you will lose. But there are guys like Ali, Joe Louis, Foreman, Shavers, these guys know what to do, how to box, and they had power. If you have speed, ring generalship, and power in the caliber of these guys, (his eyes got intense) you will see the big guys fall. See, the big guys can't move like 6'2 guys. (He started using head movement to show what he meant). They can't do that fast because they're so big, and they can't use their feet as fast as these smaller guys. You see Foreman wasn't as big as these guys today. He wasn't as tall. But he would hurt them all. He was a hard hitter. Guys like him, Shavers, Ali, Joe Louis, they would knock out the giants." He also told me "I still have 2 fights left in me!" I thought he was playing around, but I think he's actually serious. If he actually starts working out at the gym regularly that would be amazing. He was a really nice guy, very approachable, giving advice, calling people champ. Having a legend like him walking around was a huge boost.
A lot of guys 6 3 and above do not slip punches well and or have decent footwork much less endurance...not a putdown just an observation...some do...but perhaps they need such things less anyway
That's awesome. Please to note that you mentioned small heavyweights, he assumed 6-1 to 6-3, even Ali and Foreman. Those dudes were not small.
I think when I said the big guys, he rightly assumed the 6"6> guys. He was one of Tysons main sparring partners, so I bet he'd include him too. He also said all the 6'2~ guys of elite caliber are in different sports now like football. I hope he does start training here, so I can ask him about more fighters (and get more tips on my boxing). He seemed to enjoy that subject. Very passionate. He had a lot of depth in the way he talked, as if he was recounting strategy based on experience in wars. I'll never forget the conversation.
I met Oliver a couple of summers ago ... he was in Eric Molina's corner when Molina fought Deontay Wilder and I met him briefly at the weigh-in. He was very cool. Hope he sticks around your gym! But your story reminded me ... last summer, my brother calls on the Fourth of July and invites me to meet him for lunch. Says I REALLY need to come, and I'm not doing anything else and it's at a place right down the street, so sure. Meet him there and he says someone else is coming to join us. A couple of minutes later, in walk two guys ... and one of them was Ernie Shavers!!! He was passing through, my brother knows the guy he was with so my brother invited them to lunch. He hung around to take pics with everyone. His fists are ENORMOUS, like the size of small canned hams, haha, and he's still very fit and looks like he could knock down a wall. Quite a thrill. Boxing is a small world and it's amazing how many top current and former fighters you run across if you stay around it (especially if you go to fights and the weigh-ins and gatherings like that when you get opportunities).
Curious how he thinks he would have done against early heavies like Jim Corbett and Jess Willard, et al. Marciano too.
Yeah I would love to ask him that type of stuff. Hope he sticks around Maybe I'll get a chance to show him Klomptons snippet of Corbett-Fitz.
You have a nice opportunity there to learn. I hope it works out for you. I also hope that Oliver is doing well and that he has beat his demons, as well as any of us can.
Awesome stuff. When I used to do boxing training the closest I ever came was an amateuer prospect from my home town. I was a HW then and he was about FW. Never been so shown up in the ring in all my life. He would counter the second I'd decided to throw a punch and his feet were so quick. I'd see him circle and throw that straight right down the pipe knowing in about half a second I was gonna get buzzed. He never hurt me but it was quite disorienting fighting someone that much quicker than me.
Keep us posted on how this develops. He's the same age as i am, 51, i had a decent amateur career, but didnt box from the age of mid twenties to mid forties, i resumed training as part of getting into some shape again and at the age of 47-48 i was sparring and felt great.Post 50 is real hard, especially as a big guy 230 pounds, a few days off , you lose your condition quickly and it feels like your starting over. You look in the mirror and it's telling you things you dont like ! Good luck to him. Fighters are often real good guys and i think its hard for them to adjust after their career is over.