How would Ernie Terrell do today?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Jan 11, 2017.


  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Top 15 is reasonable. Being ranked as high as #7 is doubtful. And I agree with the last comment.. No belt.. I'm not even sure I'd pick him to beat Dereck Chisora
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    He has many limitations, but his size was not one of them.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    To have a belt today you needed to beat Charles Martin, Bermane Stiverne or Andy Ruiz Jr. I don't see him going 0-3 ,against those men.
     
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with you when you state you have to match a fighter as he was back in the day without assuming modifications. It's the only way to properly match in a fantasy matchup. However, I do feel his boxing ability would keep him in good stead with some of these behemoths today who would be looking to land a haymaker. I think he would do fine. I don't know which fights you are talking about, however, where he benefitted from iffy judging. If anything he suffered from iffy judging in the Manuel Ramos fight and the Chuck Wepner fight. The Wepner fight alone was considered one of the worst decision of all time. Are you thinking of the Cleveland Williams rematch? You need to watch it. It was a very close fight. I personally scored it 46-45 for Terrell, but wouldn't dispute anyone's score that had it closely for Williams. This was a tight fight. Nothing iffy here.
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Well.. He needed gift decisions to beat Chuvalo, Machen and Williams without such wins his career is basically void of anything significant so I'd be a little hesitant to give him any great odds
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    The Williams rematch, Chuvalo fight and the machen fight were all deemed dubious by ringsiders. Saying that he was robbed against Wepner is moot given that beating Chuck doesn't do anything for him anyway. As for his skill, he had limited footwork and basically stood behind a lengthy jab which likely wouldn't give him any real advantage in a modern division where most of the particpants are 6'4" or over and have comparable reaches.. And with little to no power to make these bigger men respect him I think he'd have a very hard time making waves.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    And if he got gift decisions against the 3 I mentioned he'd be unified champion.

    How did you score those 3 fights?
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    If we was to match Monzon against Ward would you assume Ward is just allowed a 15 pound advantage because he's weighed 175 and Monzon never did?
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Personally I have never seen the Chuvalo or Machen fights, but have never heard a dispute on these other than from Chuvalo. The AP scored the fight with Machen 71-67 and the only boos were from the crowd on how boring the fight was. The Chuvalo fight was fought in Canada with all 3 judges from Canada. There was no dispute or iffy judging. The only close win Terrell ever got was the Cleveland Williams rematch and I thought he won in a close fight.
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I haven't seem them either. But over the years I've read reports that a lot of ringsiders felt he lost. Let's just say that his best wins were hardly decisive ones.
     
  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And while Chuvalo seems to be a great guy, he's as delusional as it gets about his own fights. He thinks he won the rematch with Ali and that the ref more or less robbed him of a KO victory over Foreman by stopping the fight too early.
     
  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    On Boxrec there's nothing about them being controversial. Just boring. Well, Chuvalo claimed that he was robbed, but...
     
  13. Fergy

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    He would be a contender at best. Maybe getting a title shot but losing on points in a boring fight against any of today's champs
     
  14. Charles White

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    He had some fast hands and pretty good skills, so I see him doing good.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    He could easily pick up a belt, I've no doubt about that.