Sullivan Barrera vs Artur Beterbiev march 4

Iffffffffffffffff you think Aleem is a nobody as you stated, it shows your knowledge, and thus nullifies the rest of your post.

Aleem is a beast.

 

Cloud was a well past his prime can. Cloud hadn't legitimately won a fight since he stopped Yusef Mack. The Campillo fight was a pure robbery. You would have to go all the way back to the Mack fight to see Cloud look somewhat decent in the ring, and even then it looked like Mack was outboxing him until he got tired. That was more than three years prior to the Beterbiev fight. He looked progressively worse from Mack, to Campillo, to Hopkins to Stevenson. Add to that, he was off for a year after the Stevenson beat down, and came back for a check against Beterbiev. Cloud wasn't sh!t at that point.

Campillo post Cloud, was destroyed by every name guy he faced. He beat a few bums in between those destructions.

 

At the time that Beterbiev fought them. Cloud definitely was a can. Maybe you could say Campillo was a journeyman, maybe. No more than that though. Check the reasons in my previous response.

 

Yeah it is.

 

Shabranskyy would beat anybody on Beterbiev's resume so far.

Campillo came off a three fight win streak against two bums, and a young fighter who mentally folded in the ring. Campillo got beat down by every name guy he's faced post Cloud.

 

The akhbar dumb up to his usual lying B.S. I see.

 

Beterbiev stepping up more than GGG lol sad

 

Decent fight,Barrera has very good power but is chinny and not so good boxing ability,speed and stamina,think Abel Sanchez ruined him a bit [still easily top 10 fighter at 175 tho] ,Beterbiev should be able to stop him inside 3.

 

Thumbs up to Barrera taking on the beast. Boxing need fighters like that.

 

Not me, and I think the same as you do on this one. Barrera stands a good chance of winning this fight.

 

How is Barrera better than Jacobs?

 

Those Cloud losses were to Stevenson and Hopkins though ...

Anyway, I guess we have quite different definitions of what a can is. For me a can is someone outside the top 100 or so, probably with a record like 10-20-3

 

Nobody in the sense that very few boxing fans heard of him. I'm on these boards daily and NO ONE called for aleem to beat Khytrov

 

Actually both @CST80 and @jmashyaka called the possibility of an upset ...

I didn't.

 

Not calling him a can because he lost to Hops, and Stevenson, most guys lose to those two at that time. I always felt Cloud was over rated, and viewed him as being on the slide starting with the Mack fight. Cloud was limited in skill, his power was over rated, he had no defense, or head movement, and his footwork sucked. After taking a beating from feather fisted Campillo, getting a schooling from Hopkins, and a severe beating from Stevenson. Cloud was done. Can level. He sat on the shelf, for a year. Getting even more rusty, and then got destroyed by Beterbiev. Cloud wasn't a top 30 guy when Beterbiev destroyed him. He hadn't won a fight legitimately in over three years at that point.

We just have a differing opinion on what can means. Campillo, I could give you. I'd call him a journeyman. He beat two cans, and a prospect before fighting Beterbiev. Cloud got beat, got beat, and then sat on the shelf though. He didn't show us he could beat anyone anymore.

I categorize by elite guys, top level guys, Top 10 guys. Fringe Contenders. Journeymen. After journeymen, Bums, cans, cab drivers, etc. are all interchangeable at that point.