Feelings on Marciano vs Louis??

yeh thats all good, he was definitely faded, but still humble.

 

Louis was usually humble in victory or defeat.

 

yeh anthoer ok post from u. he only got more mouthy when he was old, and even then he held back.

 

So you just ignore primary sourced quotes that totally contradict this UNDERLINED statement?

The so called "quote originated from an interview concerning the Murray Woroner Computer Heavyweight Tournament.Here are Louis's actual words transcribed from the tape.


Interviewer:" Joe, what about a fight between Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano?"

Joe Louis:" Well, I could say that very easily. Marciano beat me . . ".

Interviewer (interupts):" Oh, yeah, now that wasn't when you were at your best. I'm talking about when you were at your best, twenty-eight years old."

Joe Louis: " Oh, I don't know. Marciano's the type of fighter I think is good enough and strong enough and takes a good enough punch to fight anybody.
I don't think that no one, (unclear word) either Dempsey or me, could say "I could beat Marciano".
I think the fight could be . . . It's close, it'd have to be a close fight, because he's too strong, and he could take a good punch, and he just . . . you just can't say that I could beat him.
I'd like to say that I'd fight him, alright, but who would win, I wouldn't know; but I'd like the pay for the fight -- I think it would draw money, though."
That's a bit different to your"interpretation" of it!LOL

 

Tyson's Holmes win was far better than Holmes' Ali win.Ok it was a 38 years old Holmes but Larry wasn't shot
and he was in decent shape later the old Holmes beat the unbeaten prime Mercer easier than Lennox Lewis beat
a shot fat version Ray or the 42 years old Holmes was competitive against the prime Holyfield.
Ali is another case he was total shot and after Holmes he had only one fight (inexperienced Berbick) and he lost.

 

Could not say it better myself.

 

And you have seen this fight?

 

It was similar to the mayweather mosley fight.

It was easy to say in hindsight "mosley was past his best" and diminish the victory but both louis and mosley were coming off a winning streak knocking dudes out silly.

Also mosley and louis were the #1 contender. Absolutely necessary for the up and coming youger guy to fight them.

 

I don't think Marciano gets enough credit for this victory. Louis was the No. 1 contender and on a winning streak.

 

I have been saying this for years!

It might not have been "The" greatest Joe Louis but it was still the genuine #1 contender.

 

This response seems rather random and has little to do with my post. My point was Rocky vs Louis was not a case of a retired fighter being lured back into the ring for a payday against a younger upstart. Louis was the active #1 contender.

 

Louis had 10 comeback fights ,he scored 3 stoppages .

 

1.Otherwise Joe Louis' activity and #1 position prove nothing( pure speculation).Louis did nothing after this loss but
Holmes was a decent fighter after the Tyson fight obviously i can imagine the 38 years old Holmes was better than the
Marciano version Joe Louis.
2. The aging Joe Louis' best win was a (78-20-1) Bivins.This win doesn't prove Louis' quality. I hope you don't believe
this Bivins was better than the Tyson version Holmes.

 

The OP's questions seemed to suggest he was under the impression it was like the fights I mentioned, and I just explained how it was different. Louis wasn't a legacy lamb, this was essentially a title eliminator between the two leading contenders. As for your points.



1. I'm not sure if 37 Louis or 38 Holmes was better, but I can say that prior to Tyson, Holmes had been out of action and enjoying retirement for well over a year. He jumped in the ring cold with a killer nearly 20 years younger than him. It took Holmes 4 years of exhibitions and steady build up bouts to whip himself into shape for that excellent run of Mercer, Holyfield...etc. Louis entered the Marciano fight, after a year of tune ups.

2. I disagree. His best comeback win was Savold or Brion II. The Bivins win is of a quality as Bivins was still upsetting contenders and it was a bit of grudge match, though Bivins was more or less a tough gate keeper at this stage of his career. And 78-20 is an incredible record btw, Bivins is a Hall of Famer who fought every single significant fighter in two weight divisions for roughly two decades.

I never compared Bivins to Holmes though....not sure what the hell you are talking about there. If you keep putting words into my mouth, I will cease to respond to you because there isn't much of a point. You might as well be Mcvey or Seamus, which frankly isn't worth my time.

 

The Brion rematch was a really good fight. Louis looked a very good contender in that one. I really don't think enough historians watch that fight. They look at what Charles and Marciano did to Louis and decide it's too sad to examine the serious run at the title Between the champions Joe Louis actually had.

Brion was a good fighter. I think Louis handled him better in the rematch than Charles did.