Francisco Vargas is living proof why boxers don't fight BEAST after BEAST, you get no RESPECT!!

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  1. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    Lomachenko has been on cruise control fighting lower opposition? Loma's opposition shits on just about everyone in boxing, ever. He fought that same Salido that you just referenced, in his second fight.
     
  2. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    I know it's hard for some of you guys to understand , but Salido washed Lomachenko. Bob set that fight up perfectly for Loma to win the belt because Salido was coming off of a hard fight and was thrown right in with a young boxer.
    Loma was fighting Euro bums, take it or leave it. He fought an unknown Gamalier and was thrown in with an old lion who still had a lot of fight in him. Lomachenko still won't rematch him and has once again fought a battle worn latino for a title that was coming off of tough fights.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loma wasn't washed by Salido. The fight could have gone either way. It's not so dissimilar to Mayweather Castillo. Pure boxers often times struggle against hard nosed pressure fighters. It's just the way boxing gods decided styles to work.

    The Salido fight is what it is. Hard to say a guy with 2 Olympic gold medals was green, but it was just his 2nd fight. Since then Loma has fought Russel Jr. and Walters and easily outboxed them silly. Those two wins are among the best 2 wins in boxing of the last few years.

    I too though am not completely sold on Loma. He has question marks concerning his power and left hand.
     
  4. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Francisco Vargas will always be remembered by the boxing community and more notably the Mexican boxing community with admiration and will join the ranks of the true Mexican warriors before him.

    For boxers such as Vargas, to fight is where the glory is found. The fight element is an attitude, a spirit that is built upon a plethora of virtues which drives them. To simply outpoint without fighting so much, is not what they believe in. It's a test of all virtues to be able to fight right in the eye of a tornado.

    Vargas is not going to get as many numbers as other certain boxers because he was never a 5 star prospect like a De La Hoya or Mayweather..who could beat truly elite fighters convincingly. Casual fans take great notice of one of these superior boxers who is willing to go outside of the comfort zone and go to war whilst fusing elite skill.
     
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  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    At 32 years old with a war like that Vargas is never going to be the same. If he was 27 he could recover, but 32 is starting to get up there for those savage wars.
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I'm not doing my typical obstinate defending of the guy I pick here, Vargas was never in this fight, Berchelt rocked him badly in the 1st round and it was basically a one sided fight from that point on. Vargas had 2 maybe 3 if I'm being generous competitive rounds, the cuts had nothing to do with Berchet winning, Berchelt being the superior boxer and having the superior power had everything to do with Berchelt winning. An argument could be made that Vargas only won 1 round, it was the definition of a brutal beatdown.
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    What am I chopped liver? I tried to warn you all.:D
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Berchelt was seen as a beast before the KO loss, he lost to a much larger fighter in Florez, who had been campaign at LW and even as high as LWW before he fought Berchelt, he caught him with the perfect shot, and Berchelt was back up before the count was finished, he probably could have continued, although he was hurt, he was by no means flattened, as in KO'd cold. Same thing happened to Sosa when he was young, he was KO'd by a LWW, and look how he bounced back. Vargas didn't lose because he'd been in too many wars, I'd have probably picked Berchelt to beat him before the Salido and Miura match as well. Stylistically Berchelt would have always been a problem for Vargas.
     
  9. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    Lol you've had me semi believing you were serious until you said "Loma won't rematch him". Now I know you're trolling.

    Without a doubt, Loma has the greatest opposition per fights fought in boxing history.
     
  10. SOUTHERMOST

    SOUTHERMOST Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vargas is doomed his eyebrows are a mess his warrior mentality face first caught up with him. His deep scars are beyond repair sure will be missed.
     
  11. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Nice thread.
     
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  12. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thing is if you watched his fight with Miura and Salido, you knew he got hit too much. He also started taking a L to Salido when he stopped boxing.

    If Vargas spent any of the past 7 months working on D, or setting up his jab, he'd have been much better off served. Everyone knows you don't go back to back to back vs punchers.
     
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  13. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Depends do you think people like gatti and ward are remembered for their fights? I guess I should of said in my eyes. I will always remember the Salido vs Vargas fight and respect both those guys for such a performance.
     
  14. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nah. Mikey Garcia washed Salido, knocked him down 3-4 times and was beating him at boxing.

    That's how you wash someone, not by playing scale games and consistently fouling.
     
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  15. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As much as I respect loma, no way is Russell Jr and Waters among two of the best wins in recent years. A case can be made more for the Walters fight coz i rated walters highly before that fight but he hadnt fought in a year and was coming off a draw (although a phony draw). Russell Jr has beaten noone of note his whole career up to that point, His best win is against a tough gate keeper.
     
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