Feelings on Marciano vs Louis??

Yes he was as complete and correct a puncher as I have ever seen.
p s I had no intention of disparaging you or anyone else,in my vanity I presume to know a small amount about Louis,he was the champ when I was born, so I've had plenty of time to brush up on him. Examples of his perfect right cross would include, the Braddock ko, and the B Baer one where he does a piruet before falling like a tree.

 

Dan, you carry on as you wish,you're not damaging me here.One request, no negative remarks about families.
Say whatever you wish about me, after all, it's not as though your opinion is of any value to me is it? .

 

He who laughs last never got the joke in the first place!

 

mcvey Freddie Beshore was a defensive minded veteran? The fight reports say he crowded Louis,guess they were wrong eh Dan?
It really is surprising the lack of boxing knowledge that is unashamedly being displayed here. Boxing 101 what do you consider the crowding as? Jeez this is basic, Beshore crowding Louis was the correct tactic to use vs a puncher which you say Louis wasnt lol, Beshore and Marciano I guess knew better, then the scribes, you dont give a puncher, punching room, basic stuff.

After the first Agramonte fight ,the headline in the next mornings Detroit News said.
"Joe Doesn't Know The Truth,He's That Bad" Here is the leading sentence
"Old Joe Louis in winning his decision was little more than a clinical study for biologists who might be concerned over what happens to muscles and reflexes of an aging athlete".Paul Chandler. "His punch was gone his footwork was clumsy,he couldn't defend against a right hand,he telegraphed everything he threw except light flicks and was bedazed when he had a knockout opportunity".
What would Chandler know, he was only a fair-weather reporter.

You surprise me more and more each time you post, what was new? Nothing they were pointing out the obvious, it didnt take a scribe who changed Louis' diapers to tell you that.

Top contender Savold.
"Before the second Agramonte fight Joe had signed to meet Lee Savold in June at the Polo Grounds,the 36 year old former bartender was over the hill"Richard Bak," Joe Louis The Great Black Hope". What does he know?

Exactly what does he know, Savold only a yr earlier had stopped England's ranked HW, 'er tell us again how many times Savold was decked in the prime time Marciano fight.

Are you having a great time, lollol

 

Is this guy off his ****ing rocker?

 

mcvey, I bought the Bak book this week and deliberately used his quote because you said it was a well researched book.If it is as you state, then his comment on the 36 years old Savold being over the hill would necessarily be valid and correct too would it not?
The reason I disputed Bak's contention that Louis's Mother's name was spelt Lillie was because Louis himself said it was spelt Lilly.
Taking the word of a son on how his mothers name was spelt over that of a writer seemed eminently reasonable to me ,but of course you would know best Dan!

Amazing cos really what difference does that make, Lillie and Lilly and to you that was proof of what? All it says to me is he had a cra-ppy proof reader.

Q . Was Beshore a defensive minded veteran

again not playing by your rules, if this scribe said he was defensive minded cos he crowded Louis he obviously DKSAB and neither do you it seems. Crowding nullifies your opponents punching power, so yes it was a defensive move sigh!!!

ps Thanks for responding Dan, I know how busy you are correcting us mere mortals.
I feel kind of honoured that you've taken the time out to reply really.

Hey, I am feeling left out, what about me I am taking the time out of my smoking a nice doob, to write these responses.

 

AMEN

 

UOTE="dempsey1234, post: 18381121, member: 92940"]Now this is childish, careful what you wish for, he who laughs last, laugh's best[/QUOTE]
He who laughs last never got the joke in the first place!

This is a rather pathetic response even considering some of your earlier ones.
The tactics Beshore adopted have no bearing as to his basic style he was not at any stage of his career a defensive minded fighter.That was my point which obviously escaped you. Woodcock should not even have been fighting, today he would not get a licence! Not giving a puncher punching room is just one way of fighting one.
How did Frazier fare trying it against Foreman? lol
Adopting in and out tactics is another, eg Hearns v Leonard.

Fighting on the retreat not letting him get set to punch , is yet another.
Christ, I learnt this when I was boxing as a boy!
"Woodcock had suffered a detached retina in his earlier go with big Joe Baksi, and was almost blind in his left eye"
Don't presume to explain his abilities to me. Woodcock got his ranking from a fight with Oma in which Oma went into the tank and a dsq over Savold that's his credentials at top level period!
I knew more about them 40 years ago than you have yet learnt!

 

You two keep patting each other on the back,it must be a great comfort.

 

You make remarks like this and then question my replies?

"No, I just don't give a **** about your partner"

"And you can go cry in Seamus' arms on the pink bench in the back".

 

Buddy Baer kept his chin tucked behind his broad shoulders making it a tough target. If you watch that pirouette knockdown Louis ducks a hook from Baer and at the same time digs his own hook to Bears body nearly breaking him in half. Bingo Baer lifted his chin ever so slightly from his shoulder providing an opening for a straight right which produced the classic knockdown.

 

mcvey,

The joke is your responses, and that you still cant see that combo Louis landed, now that is pathetic

This is a rather pathetic response even considering some of your earlier ones.
The tactics Beshore adopted have no bearing as to his basic style he was not at any stage of his career a defensive minded fighter.That was my point which obviously escaped you.

But what seems to escape you is basic boxing knowledge, staying close is a tactic to escape being hit by a harder puncher, basic stuff, and to further educate you on your dismal knowledge of boxing throwing uppercuts to a guy crowding you is the remedy which "old Joe" used to batter Beshore. I never said anything about Beshore before or after his fight with Louis. I was addressing the Louis fight.

Woodcock should not even have been fighting, today he would not get a licence!
Stop reaching, We are not talking about today, he fought him when? He was considered a contender at the time, they were talking about him him fighting for the title, so that makes him a credible opponent and was a good win for Savold.

Not giving a puncher punching room is just one way of fighting one.
How did Frazier fare trying it against Foreman? lol
Adopting in and out tactics is another, eg Hearns v Leonard.

And you swear you are making points, which of those guys fought like an old relexless Louis? None, is the answer.
You are trying to compare a prime Foreman, Leonard and Hearns to an old Louis. You really should be embarrassed boxing 101, you crowd a puncher you dont let them get set and you dont give them room. Frazier was trying but the Foreman that he fought was a monster, pity the fool who walks in on him. Frazier had no choice cos thats all he knew.

it was prime
Fighting on the retreat not letting him get set to punch , is yet another.
Christ, I learnt this when I was boxing as a boy!

Apparently it didnt sink in, cos thats the tactic's that were used maybe you're so old that you forgot the lessons you learnt as a boy, haha

"Woodcock had suffered a detached retina in his earlier go with big Joe Baksi, and was almost blind in his left eye"
Don't presume to explain his abilities to me. Woodcock got his ranking from a fight with Oma in which Oma went into the tank and a dsq over Savold that's his credentials at top level period!
I knew more about them 40 years ago than you have yet learnt!

I dont presume anything I go by what I know, and I know what you are saying and posting is nothing but tripe. Woodcock was examined by a commission doctor and passed by the commission to fight and he fought and lost, period. Hindsight makes an expert of all.

 

It is, are you jealous you keep pointing this out.

 

This is just sad. Sorry, man. I know people hurt and need to find a way or forum to express it. I hope things work out better in the future. Peace.