Vasyl Lomachenko vs the ATGs of his division

Walter's 50/50 I wish in terms of the bookies, I'd have made a killing.

 

Apart from the bookies.

 

Arguello knocks him out. I can't believe people think Loma would outclass him. People forget Arguello was a great body puncher not to mention he hits harder then Loma.

 

What's your basis for asserting that Mayweather did not have defensive savvy up close until later in his career?

What are Mayweather's well-known "pull counter" and "check hook" techniques other than seamless transitions from defense to offense?

Whether Loma's fluidity makes him less predictable or not, the fact that he gets hit cleanly more than Mayweather makes me question whether that's really all that much of a comparative advantage.

I don't see any reason to doubt that Mayweather's reach advantage would be hugely important in a fight like this. Mayweather is naturally bigger and stronger, taller and longer, with excellent hand speed, foot speed, and ring smarts. Not hard for me to imagine his length playing a major, major role in a fight like this--seems like the most likely outcome imo.

 

Loma would run circles around Arguello, turning him and walking him into shots all night. Terrible stylistic matchup for AA, imo.

 

I didn't assert that. Mayweather's savvy inside defence from his later years simply wasn't there to that level in his younger days. In extension to this point, Mayweather would avert this completely and leave punching range.
Mayweather has even more techniques than that which you listed obviously, to his credit..but these are indeed techniques rather than it being inherent in his actual style like it is with Lomachenko's. That's the key difference. Also, these techniques by Mayweather are momentary situations whereas Lomachenko is an expert in defence whilst pressing forward - the hardest form of defence - this is a random (not even a great) example of what I mean https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-13-2016/3xFbtz.gif
Interestingly enough, Lomachenko also has the same techniques meshed into his style that appears fluidly. In relation to this, Loma gets hit more because he's a come-forward fighter. So what, do did Duran. The point is that Lomachenko lands effectively more than his opponent and this method has allowed him to rack up a 396-1 record whilst also being the ring general. The pure boxing favours Lomachenko. Hit and not get hit does not equal hit just a little, and don't get hit.

Mayweather draws his competitive advantages from being the better boxer. This is completely lost in this matchup.

The taller and longer the opponent, the better Lomachenko has performed, weirdly enough. See for yourself. Lomachenko fought guys as long, and in many cases longer than Mayweather in the 132lb division. I know it's a different style but Loma's last fight was against Walters who had a 73' reach and same height as Mayweather (Mayweather's real height is definitely 5'7 not 5'8).

This is one fight I've always been confident of.

 

I don't like Lomas chances against a great puncher tbh.
After watching more and more footage, I noticed he can get moved around with some not so hard punches.

I think Loma excels and will continue to excel against speed fighters. I feel like when he moves up, his durability will start to deteriorate too quickly.

A fearless puncher who can make a fight will be his kryptonite.

 

I'm giving Lomachenko lofty praise but he has a few things I want him to work on:
1. More convincingly beating opponents in the first few rounds when figuring them out.
2. Develop a dirtier game with more pro quirks. If the great amateurs of old who crossed over went on to utilise dirty fighting, Loma should realise he can, too. Salido outhustled a ******ed version of Loma on the basis of this.
3. Focus more on effective aggression. Loma doesn't do this enough.

I don't have a problem with anyone who feels fighter x, y or z beats Loma. Loma is always trying to improve but is he going to be willing to tweak for this?

 

Why is there no match up with Sanches? We know that Sanchez massacres him that's why.

 

The closest thing to Saddler that Lomachenko has ever faced was Walters and he doesn't have the power, skills and TOUGHNESS of Saddler.
Between Martinez, Walters, Salido and Russell, you don't have enough material to put Lomachenko against the greats of the division, Lomachenko is my second favorite fighter, i've been following him since my first day in a boxing gym, but people are trying to make him some kind of super hero, let him face great fighters before claiming he can beat the guys that build the sport.

 

You cant see realty either too bub

 

When lomo beat a couple of great fightets then you can talk crap.all he has are ten fights against nobodys and his justin bever fan club swear he can beat dudes with over 75 fights.radation posing has rotten their brain cells