Feelings on Marciano vs Louis??

Dempsey was probably near-enough shot against Tunney. He was coming off a 3 year hiatus. In fact, just prior to that he'd engaged in two proper fights in 1923 following a 2-year hiatus. He hadn't been a proper active fighter in years.
At least Louis had been very active going in to the Marciano fight.

 

It's amazing the differences in era's Louis fought 9 fights including the Marciano fight in an 11 month period, today he'd be lucky to get 1 or 2 fights at most in a yr. Today a fighter of Louis' stature would make a million plus per fight, how times have changed.

 

It is probably the most telling fight we have when matching Rocky against modern sized HW fighters.

Here we see he can compete with a man 20 pounds bigger than he with the frame of a modern fighter.

Louis had declined but he had a world class jab and fearsome power still.

This was the most cautious display of Rocky, he never loses focus, is as light on his feet as he'd ever been, his head movement is really on point and he times his punches to perfection.

If a man is no better than this version of Louis, you'd have to favour Rocky to get the job done, especially with an extra stone to his name.

Anyone better than this version of Louis is gonna be a meal of faith though.

 

I disagree that Louis still had fearsome power ,his results say otherwise.

 

I meant it in the most literal of terms.

Rocky feared his power. The cautious approach was something we never again saw from him really.

 

One thing that could get overlooked is Marciano shook Louis up down to his core at the end of the first round, he might have never recovered from that hard right hand.

 

Marciano mentioned the jab that he couldn't avoid, but didn't comment on the rest of Louis' arsenal ,or lack of it to my knowledge.

 

I hate to belabor your POV but you are wrong on that, Louis packed enough to rock a prime Marciano, and you still havent proven your contention that he lost his power 3-4 in the past, as that esteemed scribe Grantland Rice claimed, when he ko'd a very good JJW. But you claim you didnt see that combo, and you still havent. Methinks you just dont want to admit it and are being stubborn. I went through each of the 8 opponents, and all you can up with is Agramonte easy to drop hard to stop.
How old was Agramonte? He was in his prime as a fighter, 27yrs old, jeez, had more spring to his legs. JJW dropped and stopped him, yes and he was a few months older then Louis, but it cant be a mystery that people age differently.
Beshore, no chinny guy he, went 14 rds stopped on his feet with a prime 29yr old Charles in an undeserved title shot and never went down. Louis stopped in him in how many? See this is what happens when you go by articles you believe them like they were written in stone. Savold is another you point at, you must've forgot he was considered the HW champion by your own British board after he defeated a 35-2, Bruce Woodcock for the vacant title. Oh yeah Savold stopped him when he was blind.
Woodcock was the British, commonwealth and European HW champion coming into the Savold fight. You give no credit at all to anybody Louis fought. BTW, Wood **** was Savold's 100th win, and 72nd ko victim, and this you pass as a nothing. No matter what you or scribes say Savold was a good fighter even if he had 38 career losses, with only 10 losses by ko. After facing the toughest, hardest punchers all along his career, you say well he lost to Louis and Marciano in his last two fights. Savold didnt go down from Marciano's onslaught and he had his moments with a prime Marciano. The gimme we spoke about Walker, 4 months before he fought Louis he fought a draw with an up and coming 22 yr old Rex Layne. Bivins knew better then stand still with Louis. And you profess to love Louis. To you Louis had no power, fought basically one handed and didnt throw right crosses, and to add a cherry on top you post an unflattering pic of Louis and weasel out by claiming it was to embarrass the US Gov't yep pure love.

 

His movement in the fight suggests more caution than he ever displayed before or since in the film's I've seen.

He had a lot of respect for Louis, whether his form deserved it or not.

 

Jesus you sure have got the hots for me.How many times have you repeated this now?
Just watched the first round again I repeat I saw no punch from Louis that staggered Marciano.
Savold stopped 8 men who were having their first fight!
A further11 had these records:
0-2-0
2-12-0
2-6-1
0-8-1
2-0-0
0-1-0
0-1-0
0-0-2
1-4-1
2-7-2
2-0-0

Savold didnt ko Woodcock, he was retired by his corner .
36 yearsold Savold had so much left ,after the Louis fight he had one more bout was stopped and retired! He was past his best and his best wasn't anything to shout about!
Woodcock never legitimately beat a world class heavyweight.
I give credit to Louis for beating
M.Baer
B.Baer
M Schmeling
J Braddock
T Farr
L Nova
J Walcott
And about another 25 fighters.
What you think of me is absolutely irrelevant ,the little snide remarks you throw in just illustrate how well you pair up with that ***** Mongoose.

 

What respect he had for Louis has nothing to do with what remaining power Louis had.He respected his as a once great champion.

 

Jesus you sure have got the hots for me.How many times have you repeated this now?
Yessir reaching and reaching I dont have the hots for you, what makes you think that? Why? Cos I dont agree with your posts, I am replying to your nitpicking agenda driven posts, duh, lol. Just as many times as you deny the visual evidence. You know you are very selective in choosing your words, "Staggered vs rocked". And you still wont admit that Louis hit Marciano with a right rocking Marciano, when it's very apparent. Oh thats right Marciano didnt say he got hit with a right only mentioned Louis' jab, and that is your proof. I dont mean to be a wise guy but some of your replies deserve a liberal dose of snide remarks cos you do the same, seems you can dish it out but cant take it.

Savold stopped 8 men who were having their first fight!
A further11 had these records:
0-2-0
2-12-0
2-6-1
0-8-1
2-0-0
0-1-0
0-1-0
0-0-2
1-4-1
2-7-2
2-0-0

Bahahahaha, ya cant be serious so you are saying he had 19 ducks out of 141 total fights, nitpicking at it's best. Why not mention who Savold fought along the line, I know cos it wouldnt suit your storyline.

Savold didnt ko Woodcock, he was retired by his corner .

Oh too funny, let me explain, maybe in your hurry to find fault you forgot or didnt know that a guy retired by his corner is counted as a ko loss in the record book and is counted as such in Savold's 72 ko wins

36 yearsold Savold had so much left ,after the Louis fight he had one more bout was stopped and retired! He was past his best and his best wasn't anything to shout about!

Here again is another example, of selective thinking, I dont think anyone said he was in his prime, but why are you avoiding the facts? That Bruce, was the British, Commonwealth and European HW champion, was ranked and even the British board thought the fight worthie of being for the vacant HW title. But I guess you know better, I wonder if you were so forthcoming when Bruce was your drinking buddy but now that he is long gone and cant defend himself you pyss on his career

Woodcock never legitimately beat a world class heavyweight.

Let me ask you who designated him as eligible for fighting for the vacant HW title? Who was touting him as worthie of a title shot? I guess since you werent around to tell the British board that Bruce never beat a world class HW, they didnt know, too,too funny.

I give credit to Louis for beating
M.Baer
B.Baer
M Schmeling
J Braddock
T Farr
L Nova
J Walcott
And about another 25 fighters.

See here you go again, reaching, this thread is about "your feelings about the Marciano - Louis fight". If you would like to start a thread saying "I give credit to Louis for beating......
I dont believe anybody asked you who you give Louis credit for beating, and besides it has nothing to do with this thread.

What you think of me is absolutely irrelevant ,the little snide remarks you throw in just illustrate how well you pair up with that ***** Mongoose.

Again what makes you think I think anything about you, I am answering your posts, I believe that is still allowed. As you see I answered every statement you made. Maybe you forgot your smug remarks compliment my snide remarks. I dont know who you are talking about, but I have to hand it to him he stands up to you.

For the umpteen time I dont spend my day thinking Mcvey is this that and the other, I reply to your specific posts, as I did just now. And in case my posting is confusing to you, here's a hints your statements are in BOLD, and my replies are not in bold.

 

Wrong again, mc I really thought you knew what you are talking about but it turns out you seem to rely on articles to tell you what to think, since you wont admit to visual evidence whats that say about you. Let me ask you did you get in the ring with Louis? Marciano did. So how do you know what he was thinking, especially since you wont admit to the right hand that rocked Marciano. A fighter such as Marciano is not thinking about Louis' past greatness, he has him right in front of him he thinking how to beat Louis.

 

Yeah, McVea, don't rely on those that saw him throughout his career and made a career reporting on what they saw, rely on the alternative facts being given to you an bulletin board poster. Damn straight.

 

For the curious...

Joe Louis snaps Maricano's head with a short right hand in Round 1.

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