What if ketchel ko 'd Johnson?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Feb 5, 2017.


  1. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If any white fighter beat Johnson that's it for any black contender getting a shot until Louis. The American culture drew a line that prevented any black man from getting a chance to show they were the white mans superior. It took a non American hwt champion to ignore the powers that be and give Johnson that shot in Australia.

    So Ketchel is hwt champion.......he fights and beats a few hwt contenders until he gets clocked. Langford, McVey, Jeanette, Wills never get a shot. Johnson continues fighting and winning but no title shot comes his way either.
     
  2. Mendoza

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    Are you saying this was a fixed fight by design until Ketchel scored a knockdown?! Clarification is needed.
     
  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    But Johnson did the same to Burns. When his opponent was over matched this is how he fought.

    I see no evidence the Burns fight was fixed, just similar antics.
     
  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    no clarification of what I am saying is needed. Clarification is needed as to why you dont know johnson and ketchel were play fighting up to that moment.

    CLarify why you dont know, thank you.
     
  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    The thing is though, like the majority of threads on here, there are fights that u will never know what the outcome would be because they never happened, example tyson vs ali. But some people will scream that tyson would never ko Ali. Now.. How can any one be absolutely certain of that? "it never happened so there's no way at all to verify it. U could argue till blue in face but we'll never no. What my point was is that Stan actually did knock down jack. Yes Jack jumped up straight away. But here's the point....... What if?? And that s all any one can ask in a fantasy fight forum.
     
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Jack may have been really hurt, he may have got up grinning, he might have tripped over his feet..... I don't no what that punch was all about.. I was just putting it out there what if this particular scenario happened. I've seen the kd, I no what happens it's just a case of what.... Could have happened. And some posters have the right idea and use there imagination.
     
  7. HerolGee

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    noone can be 100% certain, but ali wasnt koed even when he was a freaking Parkies patient in the ring. Tyson wouldnt stop Ali. If and when knocked down ALi would keep getting up, because he always did.
     
  8. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    what if manny pac had knocked down vitali as well then.

    WHAT IF?????
     
  9. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    u'd need a good one.

    aint no fleas on you fergie.
     
  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    But Herol that s the point trying to make. Some people like yourself and me including think Ali would never be knocked out by tyson but no one can say hundred per cent certainty cos it never happened. I'm trying to say what if?.. That s my point. What if ketchel ko d jack. Unlikely and didn't happen but it's like asking what would have happened if dempsey ko'd gene. It's all about what may have happened.
     
  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    So leonard didn't ko donny? Look at the jump in weight there. Is it impossible for a middle weight to ko a heavy, simple question?
     
  12. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Your trying to tell me that it s impossible that Johnson could have put his guard down for a few seconds and another guy , yes a middle weight but a trained experienced fighter could not land a ko punch? Is that what you're saying.? That it's a absolute impossible scenario?
     
  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I'll leave it at that Herol. Not getting in to a tit for tat argument pal. To old for that crap!
     
  14. HerolGee

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    its not really asking like dempsey and gene that was a genuine fight.

    if it had been a full on fight form the first minute in johnson ketchel, the fight would have been over inside 30 seconds. theres your what if, mate.
     
  15. HerolGee

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    that could happen to ANY HW.

    so why you singled out Johnson?