I keep saying it but the UK HW scene is so tough and talented

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by bailey, Feb 6, 2017.


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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I keep saying it but the UK HW scene is so tough and talented.

    To give you an example there are not even 40 HWs in the UK. In the US there are over 350.
    IMO arguably the 3 top HWs are Fury, Joshua and Haye.

    Now there are alot of threads about D Price which I think seem unkind. Ive not been a fan of Price but feel for Price. He has had a tough time recently and I think it is unfair for people to poke fun.
    A big issue with the division being so talented in the UK is that often I think many UK based HWs get stepped up very quickly.

    In Prices first 16 fights he fought - fight 15 Skelton, fight 14 Harrison, fight 13 Sexton, fight 11 Dallas, fight 12 McDermott, fight 16 Thompson

    Consider how Chisora in fights had faced V Klitschko away, D Haye, undefeated Helenius away, undefeated Fury, Williams, Sexton twice, undefeated Scott in 21 fights and has faced other highly regarded HWs since then
     
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  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thank you for the likes gents
     
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  3. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Reciprocate the favor you ******* :qmeparto:
     
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  4. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The price is right.....
     
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  5. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why are you even talking about Price after he's been exposed as a hypejob worse than Fraudley?
     
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  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think you misunderstand.
    Some fighters dont get tough fights early in their careers and are slowly built up and because of this go further whereas some are just thrown in deep. Sometimes too fast too soon, which could have happened to other fighters if they were rushed but werent rushed.

    Consider Price fought Harrison in his 14th fight whereas Wilder didnt fight Harrison until his 28th fight and after he had already been beaten by Price.
    Wilder didnt fight M Scott until his 31st fight which was after he lost to Chisora who fought M Scott in his 21st fight.

    Price fought T Dallas in his 11th fight whereas C Martin faced Dallas in his 22nd fight long after Price had beaten him.

    Now had Price not been rushed and had 32 building fights he may have had more experience.

    Consider Martin was able to win a world title and didnt face anyone like T Thompson who had twice shared a ring with W Klitschko and who had beaten Beck, Ibragimov, Krasniqi, Bean, Guinn fior example
     
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  7. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Price doesn't get any points for losing, multiple times even. Because somebody like Charles Martin was able to get a shot doesn't absolve Price of utterly failing. Very odd spin about Price. The UK doesn't need him. There's 6 or 7 other guys.
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    The UK has several talented HWs and nobody is giving points for losses but I noted how UK HWs tend to get moved faster as shown with these examples

    Price fought Harrison in his 14th fight whereas Wilder didnt fight Harrison until his 28th fight and after he had already been beaten by Price.
    Wilder didnt fight M Scott until his 31st fight which was after he lost to Chisora who fought M Scott in his 21st fight.

    Price fought T Dallas in his 11th fight whereas C Martin faced Dallas in his 22nd fight long after Price had beaten him.

    Now had Price not been rushed and had 32 building fights he may have had more experience.

    Consider Martin was able to win a world title and didnt face anyone like T Thompson who had twice shared a ring with W Klitschko and who had beaten Beck, Ibragimov, Krasniqi, Bean, Guinn fior example

    and that moving a fighter faster can often back fire
     
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  9. Solid Snake

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    Well Price is only one Wilder cherry pick and one big jab away from claiming the WBC title too.
     
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  10. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Price was already 29 whenhe fought Harrison, who was 41. Not all that impressive really
     
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  11. nickpoppunk

    nickpoppunk Unbelievable Bentekkers Full Member

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    i'd put price in the ring with wilder and see how they both get on.
     
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  12. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The UK scene certainly has picked up over the last few years, that's for sure. And that's a good thing, as the better the competition, the better for all of boxing. Next time here, mos def have to try to see a fight.
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    When David Price fought them, Skelton and Harrison were horribly washed-up old bums. McDermott turned up to fight weighing about 270 pounds.
    Yes, shame on Deontay Wilder for fighting Harrison in his 28th fight, but really neither of them should have fought him.

    Tyson Fury is obviously a talented boxer but he seems to have thrown away his prime.
    Anthony Joshua is a very promising prospect.
    Hughie Fury is a promising prospect and is only 22.
    Dillian Whyte might make a decent gatekeeper, he's about the same as Chisora.
    David Haye is unlikely to become a genuine contender again. He's done nothing in years and is lined up to face Bellew, who isn't even a HW.
     
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  14. toxedo911

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    UK Heavyweights have meddled three Olympics in a row. maybe four.

    We are the elite of Heavyweight boxing. its obvious.

    USA didn't even ship a heavy for last years Olympics, that says a lot.

    USA AINT GOT FIGHTERS like that no more.

    and stop converting basketball and football players into boxers. Fighters are born or made through environments where fights happen enough for a person to know if he a good fighter or not. If you happen to be an athlete then good. but if you were a failed sprinter or swimmer, and try coming to boxing, you will be found out. you need to love fighting, enjoy the terror of knocking out or being knocked out.

    You need to enjoy hurting people and causing damage. psychological and physical pain is what you dish out. You must be a modern day spartan with a warrior code(no hurting non fighters, respecting your foe once the bout is finished). who lives the spartan lifestyle. GYM everyday. Disciplined by smaller more war weary generals called trainers.

    Never Quitting, only losing by the sword, aka the fist.

    UK has less gun play, kids in rough neighborhoods fight from early without fear of a shooting as result of beating someone up.

    USA best fighters are from the southern states at the mo, where gun play aint as important as fist play, this explains why LA or Chicago have never had great boxing talents. whilst florida boast thurman, ohmaha boast crawford, and alabama boast Wilder........


    This is the sport of Kings , The Brits still have Royalty!!!!!!!!
     
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  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wasnt trying to say it was impressive but was showing how Price was moved alot faster than say Martin or Wilder.
    Consider Wilder was already 27 when he faced Harrison who was 42 and had already been beaten in a round by Price. That was Wilders 28th fight compared to Prices 14th fight against a Harrison and before Wilder fought him. Thats in half the amount of fights.
    That is what I mean about being moved on faster. It can often be too fast
     
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