Dempsey vs. Carpentier. Fresh eyes

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I decided to watch this 24-minute video, which included a lot of training clips from both men.

    A few comments on the fight itself.

    Carpentier was the faster of the two, and had some decent foot speed and escape moves. He landed his right on Dempsey rather easily and did the same with his left.

    The first round was pretty even. In the second round, Carpentier broke his right thumb in two places and suffered a slight wrist strain, and the films show he started to use his left a bit more after round one.

    Dempsey's defense looks pretty poor here. He took Carpentier's shots pretty well, but Carpentier was not a heavyweight type of puncher, so it should not surprise anyone that a fighter like Fripo, who really was not skilled could land his right on Dempsey too, except he floored him when he did so. Jack Sharkey had no trouble landing, and Tunney won as many as 19 of 20 rounds vs Dempsey. Dempsey's defense wasn't very good vs. quick fighters, which likely explains why he lost to 4 round decision to Meehan.

    On the plus side for Dempsey, he marked up Carpentier quickly and did some excellent body work to hurt and slow down the more mobile Frenchmen. The power was still there.

    When the end was near, Carpentier to his credit went for broke a few times but did not land any haymakers. Carpentier gamely got up, when he might have been better off staying down. There is some truth in general that old timers had more heart and effort. He went out on his shield.

    I was a tad disputed that Dempsey did not use his height and reach advantage on the outside, and was too easily tied up at times in the clinches, but Dempsey's lower body was not very strong, with him it was upper body strength.

    So it was an easy win for Dempsey vs a highly ranked opponent, but at the same time this was a prime Dempsey and he had similar issues with speedy fighters before and after.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    I think Dempsey fought with a nonchalant attitude to getting hit. He didn't waste energy slipping and weaving in this one, he just walked Carpentier down, mauled him, and mauled him some more.
    Even when Carpentier spun him half-round with a sharp punch or five, Dempsey just got straight back on track and marched forward, mauling and digging to the body, imposing himself.
    A very confident and methodical performance from Dempsey, but arguably an unworthy challenger.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    As you at least are aware U ,Dempsey was asked by Rickard to take it easy on Carpentier and give the crowd a show,when he put his foot to the pedal the fight was over.
     
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  4. mcvey

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    You were a tad disputed? Dempsey was a very fast sprinter ,what makes you think his lower body was not very strong?
     
  5. Mendoza

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    Round one before was lively then his opponent hurt his hand. I highly doubt Dempsey took it easy on his man early.

    Dempsey should have handled his man better in the clinches. At times he was too easily tied up despite having a weight advantage. His legs were not very big. Porportinally he had a smaller lower body.

    Would Carpintier be ranked today st heavy? I think not. And I'd pick a few cruisers and light heavies to beat him.
     
  6. BCS8

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    Dempsey at cruiser would be sensational.
     
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  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    It is accepted by boxing historians that Dempsey did not go all out in the beginning of this fight.
    I don't care what you think, you would argue the sky was yellow if it boosted your argument!
    When Dempsey fought Firpo, Rickard tried the same approach again, visiting him in his dressing room just before he went to the ring.Rickard pleaded with Dempsey to take it easy on the Argentinian,to give the crowd a show.Dempsey replied, nothing doing he isn't Carpentier, he might kill me with one of his wallops ,so go to hell!"
    Dempsey did not have big legs, that is not an indication that they were in any way weak.The poster boy for skinny underpinnings was Bob Fitzsimmons,so thin were his legs that he regularly padded his tights with cotton.Fitzsimmons was unbeatable on the road! None of his many sparring partners over the years could compete with him he would grasp the back rail of a trotting sulky and run behind it for miles! Your Dempsey bashing exercise has fallen on stony ground ,perhaps if you had done a bit more research you would have realised Dempsey was initially taking it easy and not begun this thread!
     
  8. Perry

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    It is well understood that Dempsey carried Carp.
     
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  9. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Promoter supposedly told Dempsey to let the fight go a few rounds.
     
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  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Understood by everyone but the guy who made the thread ,the Dempsey hater Mendoza!
     
  11. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fighters of those days spent lots of time with roadwork. Roadwork was the key conditioning exercise. It produced excellent wind along with athletically strong runners legs.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    He said the same thing in the Fripo fight. Dempsey did not listen to him there either.

    My report is fine. It's not like we are talking Harry Wills here. I think Dempsey is a head to head all time top 20 guy.

    But he had issues with speed and boxers. The film does not lie.

    Would Carpenier be ranked in the top ten at heavyweight? Likely not.

    I'd pick 3 light heavies today to beat him
     
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  13. FrankinDallas

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    They wanted to make sure the PPV adverts were seen by the most people.

    Anyway, Dempsey looked nonchalant the first couple rounds, like a cat with a mouse. Took the Frenchman out
    when the time was right.

    Nothing to see here, move along.
     
  14. dempsey1234

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    You sound like a NY cop lol
     
  15. reznick

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    It was like GGG vs. Brook
    Dempsey hurt him right away, spared him, took it easy, and then went for the kill when things got feisty.
     
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