AJ vs Wlad who WINS!

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AJ vs Wlad who wins

  1. AJ

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    43.1%
  2. Wlad

    66 vote(s)
    56.9%
  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    I think so. Generally. Some will rejoice.
    I'm rooting for the old man. If AJ gets knocked out if might be good for him and I believe he will come again, but if Wlad gets crushed at 41 years old that's a sad but familiar sight and he's finished.
    Wlad paid his dues with 3 KO losses on his way to dominate the division.
     
  2. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I think at his age he's bitten off more than he can chew and fully expect an undignified end to what was on the whole a great career. Let's not forget he hasn't look good in the ring for a lot longer than the Fury fight, the last time he looked impressive was when he destroyed the still inexplicably overhyped Pulev back in 2014.

    If he does get blasted out fully expect the usual mongs to rush to their keyboards and say he was nothing but a can crusher in an era of cans when its obvious to anyone with half a brain that in his prime he would have been a handful for anyone.
     
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  3. joe brown

    joe brown Keep it Simple Full Member

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    would like AJ to win but, my mind leans towards wlad experience and intelligence will pay of for him
     
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  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Wlad thinks he is some sort of master boxer. He's putting everything into the belief that his experience will see him through.

    How come all this "experience" wasn't visible when he back humped Povetkin for 12 rounds. He couldn't box a clean performance against Sam Peter in 2 efforts , where was this great boxing ability he thinks he has back then?

    20 years in the ring and Wlad has only ever displayed a very straight forward hit & grab routine . He has never steerd away from that tactic because thats all his is capable of. Thats why multi delusional master box Fury toy'd with him as easily as he toy'd with the Hammer.

    Wlad is coming thinking he can Pulev AJ. Well if you go back and watch that fight from the start , you will see Pulev getting off first and Wlad then sticking to him like an octopus non -stop. There won't be any tolerance for that fouling on UK soil.
    I believe he is delusional. He believes he is far better than he actually is. . He is convinced he can beat AJ like he was convinced he could beat Fury
     
  5. Mordechai

    Mordechai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think that wlad needs to KO Joshua, He will not get A decision. In britain it is even more difficult to get A decision than in Germany
     
  6. AliMyths&Legends

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    Wladimir is going to prove too elusive for Joshua in the ring, and outbox him from the outside, and tie him up on the inside. This is a easier match up than Tyson Fury for Wladimir. Wladimir looks very excited and confident for this fight, on the other hand I have not seen Joshua look so unsure than he does at these recent press conferences. Wladimir by clear UD win, or late stoppage.
     
  7. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    As much as I like AJ and the attention he's bringing to the division, I think Wlad is going to take this.

    Joshua looks wide open for a jab and I don't like the way he leans forward after throwing a power-punch. He leaves his chin beyond his right knee and is slow bringing his left-hand back after the jab. He has some technical issues he could work out over the next few fights if he was going up against a lower class of opponent. I think this is the worst time for him to face Wlad.
     
  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wlads best chance is to assert himself early so he can dictate pace and lead, he can't allow Joshua to be the aggressor, if he does he'll be broken down.

    Wlads has a punchers chance, one left hook over AJs low right and it's over. But I'm favouring youth to prevail. Wlads isn't the aggressive type, he prefers a cautious approach and that will allow Joshua to dictate terms.
     
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  9. BCS8

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    Yup. Agree. Wlad needs to establish respect early and make AJ cautious of his power.

    If Wlad farts about and AJ gets comfortable, it's him that will be dictated to.
     
  10. IKSAB

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    Joshua, easy and early.
     
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  11. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    LONG ANALYSIS




    First lets throw all the fanboy B.S out the Window with this i favor anyone here...it DOESN'T matter to me who wins...Wlad is my favorite Fighter....Joshua is my favorite style who i think would be better for boxing!

    What does each possess



    POWER : Both have equal ability to k.o you. Joshua has better combination abilty, Wlad has faster hand speed per punch. Joshua has heavier power which can break threw your guard more. No one can really say , it doesnt matter really both can k.o each other with one punch.

    OFFENSIVE Style : Inside: Joshua Outside : Klitchko

    Edge : Joshua ,the aggressive pressure will almost have it always and i believe Joshua has it.


    OFFENSIVE SKILL : Wlads one two and hooking off the jab and the jab itself is elite.Joshua is a just slightly less refined but he has more variety because he can throw fast combos without thinking on the fly. This can only be answered to who ecver makes it their fight.

    Edge : Draw


    DEFENSIVE SKILL: Joshua is more susceptible to getting hit,he is aggressive and forces the k.o on you. Wlad defense is basically using the jab and then clinchin when his opponents become to close. Wlad RARLEY gets hit with flush power shots and Joshua is getting better slipping and moving out of range.

    Edge : Klitchko



    SPEED : DRAW (Wlad is not as fast anymore/Joshua is underatted in this area)

    FOOTWORK : Wlad can move at range and make it extremely difficult to get at him....Joshua on the other hand likes top stay close and just in reach to counter or jump into his opponents. With Wlads number of fights and ability.....

    Edge : Wlad but remember hes not as accurate on the fly as Joshua.

    CHIN : Not Appliable

    Ring IQ /Ring Generalship / Experiance / Of course Klitchko


    WEIGHT : not very important both between 240/250...Wlad will make the right adjusted weight as Joshua.its unrealistic to say who weighs what until weigh ins really,because one fighter can weigh more than the other or vice versa if both switch it up. there is no advantage when both are about 6'6 and 240 plus,its how each use the weight.


    Summary


    Klitchko : A defense cautionary first set up ,needs the jab to make everything happen without it he loses this fight and if he left hooks off the jab he can k.o Joshua bc he wont see it coming but the left hook is often not thrown enough otherwise you would have seen more Pulev like endings .

    Joshua : A go forward aggressive pressure set up , he has the abilities to fight inside or out side and is the better counter puncher who has speed which is going to make him extremely dangerous here .

    X FACTORS of what cancels out the other has usually : Wlads major weapon besides the jab is ability to force his opposition to go on the inside bc they simply cant out box him from the outside and that's where he utilises clinching and beats you up there ,either way he wins .

    Unfortunatly Joshua is 6'6 240/250 and will hold his own if this happens but unlike anyone hes fought , Joshua can rip power shots there and that's where he does his best work .I believe no matter how experienced Klitchko is he wont avoid having to out fight him on the inside. Joshuas ability to shut down jabs which he has the ability to before its even thrown/slips punches and not be easy fighter to read with the explosive in and out positionings are going to be extemely hard to deal with EDGE : Joshua

    FIGHT CONTROL : Who ever can hit with more authority while utilizing footwork will dictate pace ,,Wlad has the edge here and will need it bc if he lets Joshua bull rush him and doesn't let him get comfortable its going to be a short fight bc Joshua isn't easy to hit as most ppl THINK and he can throw fast combinations from heady to body if he gets Wlad on the ropes and hurts him hes going to win . EDGE : Wlad


    MENTAL TOUGHNESS : Klitchko knows what its like to survive fights alot more and certainly will be looking to crush his next opponent to show last one was an off night and continues to bring that here,Joshua is hungrier and wants to lay waste to the entire HW division without breaking sweat and thinks he will be on top for as long as hes fighting . Opposite is Wlad who knows limited time is not on his side and his legacy can be re written with this win alone ,he does not want to leave the game on an Loss . This makes BOTH guys confidence go up a level a win over Wlad will solidify Joshua as the best no question and for Wlad to beat such a young powerful opponent at 40 one will have to rethink his standing as an ATG and in my book puts him over Vitali . Its a TALL order , i think Joshua's train of thought the work effort and style will make it difficult and now hes fighting in front of 90,000 of mainly his home people. EDGE : Joshua


    How can Wlad win:

    Well he needs to want to win first as soon as he steps out of the tunnel and go in there like Joshua stole or killed someone close to him. He NEEDS to do this bc hes not getting into the ring with anyone normal,he has to be smart and looking for the k.o sooner than later an establish control because one Joshua spurt on him and it could spell doom. Can Wlad win ?

    He needs to stay out of the clinch for prolonged periods and that could mean split second breaks to avoid Joshua killer inside punches. He needs to listen to his corner and have a do or die mentallity.If he throws alot of one two jabs hes bound to land and be able to keep throwing them at least in thee first few rounds to make Joshua think ,the longer the fight goes Klitchko may settle down and get into rythm or he may tire first?He has to take that chance and fire on all cylinders.

    Anyone close to Wlad can win ,the question is can he win against a equal puncher who will be harder to control and the only way he really does that if he stops Joshua with the jab and if he has been working his uppercut bc this fight is somewhere going on the inside.And he will have to match some exchanges there to avoid a knock out. Joshua is a stone cold killer who rips vicious uppercuts there and then gets his shovel punches going that are powerful without even winding any punch up.


    PREDICTED WINNER : Joshua 65% Chance I don't believe Wlad can survive 12 rounds with Joshua...he needs a knock out. Joshua is way to aggressive and with size will hit Wlad sooner than later,and its not going to be an advantage for a long range fighter the longer this goes,which gives the inside fighter the edge,and Joshua does not rest on the inside he throws killer body and head combinations.Looking on how a fighter improves from 15 to 20 fights is important which why when wlad fights Joshua we are not getting the Whyte / Breazeale or Molina version...

    Expect Joshua to be a scary,powerful on point guy no playing around when he steps in the ring like hes never been....Klitchko HAS to be his best ability to win this and that points to Joshua being favored. One has to think a 6'6 athletic power puncher is going to get the job here against a Wlad that no one knows which Wlad is still able to pull the trigger of punching accurately and timing his punches against a very underated thinking Joshua who is very smart himself.


    Would i bet Wlad ?..well if i had the extra $$$ i would . Lets be real..Wlad dangerous /smart and hes never lost twice in a row and has motivatiion.Unless you think he will do somethings i said then i would say yes. He is dedicating to Manny Steward so this COULD play a big deal into how hard he fights. Wlad has obvious the way more number of fights and rounds, Ive never seen anyone defeat a Wlad in 19 fights.

    Larry Holmes at age 42 defeated Ray Mercer in his 19th fight and gave him his first loss. Will this be history repeating itself? Well Joshua is the most gifted fighter ive seen since Cus's Tyson. If you have the extra money to bet take Wlad...if you want the safer bet take Joshua. :starwars-smiley:
     
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  12. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    "Wlad thinks he is some sort of master boxer." :nut:
     
  13. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    AJ by a huge ko !!! but i,m afraid the fight might be canceled
     
  14. grobbo

    grobbo New Member Full Member

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    Competitive for about four/five rounds until AJ steps it up and overwhelms Vlad.
     
  15. MAJR

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    Put on the spot, I think I'd pick Joshua to win. I think Wlad has been too long out of the ring and I think that's going to come back to hurt him. He hasn't had a fight since he lost to Fury in November 2015 and for a man who is, at 40, ancient for an active fighter it's easy to slide if he's not been having regular fights.

    I dont want to rule out Wlad's chances altogether because he has been a very dominant, very effective heavyweight over the year and with all his experiance he should be able to compensate somewhat for his recent inactivity, plus it seems he's sees this fight as his career defining moment so will be very motivated and determined to perform, however, as I said, I think he's been too long inactive.