Wilder KO's Povetkin.... in court!

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  1. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    I can agree with that, cheers. 4.5 seems excessive like I said, he should need to fight to receive all of that.

    Maybe 2 since there's a lot he lost from that fight, but that's ALL
     
  2. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    This opens the way for Stiverne to claim the full purse bid also when he never stepped foot in Russia either. It's an insane decision.
     
  3. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    Yeah I already said a few pages back that compensation of some kind is more than fair, just not a full fight purse.
     
  4. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The circumstances are a bit different, since Stiverne tested positive himself. Plus, he's been hesitant to secure a replacement fight, which would give jurors pause when considering a decision to award full compensation.
     
  5. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Time is money, he waste a lot of his time. Time he could have used to fighting a non cheating opponent giving him the full purse
     
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well here's the thing -- every chance this could have been settled for a million or so, maybe even less, had the Russian promoter made an offer to cover expenses incurred plus maybe a bit more as soon as the fight was canceled over his fighter's failed drug test.

    Instead, he took a hard line and said, 'We'll pay nothing.' So Wilder had to sue to get ANYTHING.

    At that point, the stakes go up.

    Not only has Wilder incurred training expenses, sparring partner pay, setting up camp in England and brining sparring partners there plus travel and hotel and feeding all of them, etc., out of his own pocket, NOW he's had to pile up lawyer fees to fight for his money.

    And he took a fight for about $3M less than what he would have been paid to fight Povetkin in Russia.

    So there's the lost compensation issue, through no fault of his own and instead through the wrongdoing of his opponent.

    So he's the aggrieved part in this and he took the losses. The Russian promoter still made money -- he held the card without the heavyweight fight, collected ticket money (and probably a percentage of concessions, TV rights fees in Russia, etc.).

    He did his part and the Russian refused to compensate him in ANY WAY, including reimbursement for lost expenses for training, and forced this to go to court.

    And in court there are two kind of damages: (a) actual, those expenses incurred, loss of income for fighting a lesser fight for lesser money, and (b) punitive damages -- which are by nature designed to punish the offfending party.

    I say he's due every penny. No reason the Russians should profit by this by keeping money thhat was due Wilder if not for the wrongdoing of the Russian fighter.
     
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  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    1. Appeal coming
    2. If the appeal award is too much, what is keeping Povetkin from hiding out in Russia and not paying?
     
  8. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    You're just action packed with insecuritis don't you? First you talk about your dong with a bunch of men online, now this. Napoleon complex anyone? Let the race baiting be, no one cares or takes it seriously.
     
  9. On The Money

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    Ryabinsky said we'll pay nothing because Povetkin never technically failed any test. I assume this was the reason behind the stance, but then Pov goes and fails another later test which must have coloured this case. It will be appealed I'm sure. Let's establish the absolute facts.
     
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  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nothing, but that includes Ryabinsky, too. And the purse money is in escrow, the judge can order it be released to Wilder and there's nothing the Russians can do to step that if it's ordered by a judge.
     
  11. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The facts have been established in a court of law.

    An appeal would be over procedure -- rulings by the judge, jury instructions, etc. You cannot appeal this ruling based on "Well, look at our evidence again and you'll see our experts were right."
     
  12. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    stiverne failed a drug test prior to the canceled fight himself.
     
  13. SimplyTheBest

    SimplyTheBest Heavyweight Destroyer Full Member

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    US court rules against a Russian, big surprise there...
     
  14. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    That is their purpose, to prosecute criminals, murderers, drug pushers and Russians.
     
  15. SimplyTheBest

    SimplyTheBest Heavyweight Destroyer Full Member

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    Did they establish the fact that Deonkey never set foot in Russia, and flew home before the fight was even off, and never intended to fight in the first place?