Povetkin seems to have lost lawsuit to Wilder

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  1. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    It's a shame that Pov is a cheat. He's fun to watch.
     
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  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Its fun that Pov is a cheat. Hes a shame to watch.
     
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  3. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm sure someone who manafactures the drug was contacted and they gave their evidence for or against what Povetkin was saying. Clearly him losing means whatever they said was either none influential in persuading the jury of his innocent or it went against what Povetkin and his supporters are saying.
     
  4. BCS8

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    Actually Flamizide has a point. The manufacturer was contacted prior to this saga and they said that traces would remain in the body and did not know for how long. I think the manufacturer was Grintek (or something similar) and the drug is sold as mildronat in the East.
     
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  5. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Okay well the jury clearly didn't agree with that person, I highly doubt someone can test negative then positive then negative without having taken the drug at some point close to the tests.

    However that's just my opinion I guess.
     
  6. BCS8

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    This argument was hashed out in long and painful detail when it happened. The precis:

    1) The amount detected was vanishingly small. I'm surprised and impressed that tests managed to pick anything at all
    2) It was well within WADA limits
    3) There was a plausible mechanism postulated whereby meldonium is stored in trace amounts in fat cells and released when they break down. Hence the strange results. But nobody really knows, including VADA and the manufacturer of mildronat.
    4) Legal cases turn on strange technicalities sometimes. Unless you have the actual judgement in hand, it's difficult to determine exactly what the jury found against.
    5) The Ostarine red flag later on shouldn't have had an impact on the judgement.
    6) The Ostarine red flag shows that Povetkin is a dumbass and couldn't leave well enough alone. A real pity because I like how Povetkin fights and was supporting him to blast Wilder out of the water. Now it looks as though his career is royally shafted.
     
  7. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The case wasn't about whether meldonium amount he had in his system was okay, it was about did he take it after the banned date, well thats what I read anyway.

    Povetkin is clearly a cheater and needs a leg up at every turn, I was picking him to beat Wilder when the fight was announced but I now think he's recent performances were ped-induced and if both men came in clean Wilder would stop him.
     
  8. BCS8

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    It's hard to say.

    I mean, he admitted to taking Meldonium for a long time, it's been legal and around since the 1970's. PEDs don't make you more skilful or give you a heart to fight. I'm sad to entertain the possibility, but Povetkin seems like one of those guys that maybe doesn't like to train as hard as he should and has been looking for "alternative" training methods.

    I dump on Wilder all the time, but at least he's doing what he's doing without "vitamins". That's gotta be worth some respect.
     
  9. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He obviously has the skills because he was capable of winning a gold medal, over 3-5 rounds Povetkin is great, his issue is probably stamina based rather than strength or technical ability. His best win was the Takam fight and he was able to stop Takam by outlasting him coz both men went toe to toe in a great war.

    One thing alot of guys don't understand alot of these guys might be on it, except for Wilder who does VADA I suspect, AJ, Wlad, Haye are juicing personally, then you have Povetkin, Ortiz & Fury who have been caught. The only guy I'm not as suspicious of is Parker.
     
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  10. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    Time for Alex to move on and so should we.


    Next up for Pov, - a GBH charge from Duhapas for using a PED to punch him out.
     
  11. Rock0052

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    I've heard of guys being ahead of their time. Povetkin's the exact opposite. He's a throwback, all right.

    Dude would've been right at home 25 years ago when boxing wasn't even bothering to make PED's illegal, let alone test for them.

    Now, people are still using, but at least they go through the motions of testing so they can say they're clean. The tests are not hard to beat, but Povetkin can't even get that done right.
     
  12. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The judgement award has been announced as $5M to Wilder to be collected from the cheating promoter and boxer.
    The award may be modified in the appeal, but odds are that it will not be changed as I expect the cheaters will lose the appeal.
     
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