Does team GGG expect to lose the canelo fight? Ignoring leverage in rematch or trilogy

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    GGG is almost 35 and canelo is 26, The later the fight happens the more GGG chances to win(and therefore have tons of leverage in a rematch plus extra payday for trilogy) decrease, and even if he gets himself a little more money for the canelo fight through a higher guarantee or even a split, by the time the fight happens he might be too old to win and he'd be Golden Boy's ***** in the negotiations for a rematch.
    Is GGG just trying to cash out with the canelo fight?
    IMO he should take the offer now to maximize his chances of winning, because the potential money if he won in a rematch, 3rd fight and future earnings in other fights is far more than whatever he'll gain by negotiating for another year with GBP.
    Canelo will still make lots of money fighting cotto, saunders, chavez maybe chavez rematch he can keep himself busy and make millions for another few years if he wants, but golovkins' clock is ticking imo.


    SIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE: GGG takes 15 mil offer, wins then makes 30 mil in rematch, loses then makes 20 million in 3rd fight= 65 mil
    GGG doesnt take 15 mil offer, waits 1-2 years keeps negotiating and makes 20 mil in 2019, loses makes 15 mil in rematch= 35 mil

    Then there's always the possibility that GGG loses in the meantime, then canelo won't even bother to fight him at all maybe.

    All of this looks like GGG or his team doesn't expect to win the canelo fight anyway, which is the only reason why they would wait to make the fight, considering they are wasting their chances to be in charge of a rematch.
    Make no mistake, GBP is not above fighting has been's and welterweights for years until they fight GGG. Every year that goes by is in their favor.
     
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  2. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Doesn't expect to win? Reading your post, I really have no idea how you came to that conclusion. But of course they want the fight. They are just aware they cannot force anyone in the ring with them,who doesn't want it. So yeah, they stepped aside, under the auspice of being next, or soon to next, in line.

    As long as they fight this year, or even next, I'd favor 3g. He's never taken great punishment, and looks to take care of his body between fights. I think he has many good years still ahead of him.
     
  3. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    i think in theory alot of what you say is similar to what many have been preaching to gggs loyal fans....alot of people think i, and others, really hate ggg...i dont....but his fans make it easy to speak against ggg....i just dont think ggg has been playing his cards very well here....maybe in the end im proven wrong and he comes away golden....we'll see....

    i also think ggg and his fans may be overestimating and overstating his worth/standing ....precedents have been set ....for some reason his fans seem to act as if he transcends precedent or what others fighters have taken in similar circumstances....

    but one of my biggest beefs now is this....as you mentioned....canelo is 26.....ggg is 35.....these guys all want canelo to operate on gggs timeline because they fear ggg might get old and lose....canelo is the bigger name/draw....hes 26 and already has a pretty decent resume......hes a cash cow.....hes not going to operate on gggs timeline to appease ggg and his fans....hes going to work on his own time and take the fight if and when it makes sense......people needs to realize how much time canelo could have left in boxing at the top level...and how much money he stands to make.....hes not going to rush to fight ggg simply because ggg is 35 and may be on the decline...it stinks...it might not be fair to golovkin....but its canelos life and career and it just is what it is
     
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  4. LondonRingRules

    LondonRingRules Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You realise not all fights warrant rematches or full blown trilogies right?

    Maybe they're so confident of a beat down that they don't think there will be any need for a 2nd fight.
     
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  5. radupidu

    radupidu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who says anyone wants to be in the ring with Golovkin two or three times ??

    One time seems hard enough, forget two or three times
     
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  6. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    rabid fans of any team or person are generally idiots. most sports fans love to run their mouths, while having no idea what they are talking about. i quit posting on the st louis blues site, because the moronic posters were making me root against my own favorite team. mayweather, pacquiao, fury, ward, kovalev, stevenson, etc. every one of them has fans on esb just as bad as golovkin fans.
     
  7. The Shockmaster

    The Shockmaster SOG has 4 children...he pulls out of nothing banned Full Member

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    i hear you...i suppose you are right...for some reason pacquiao and golovkin fans annoy me the most.....and its weird...i really used to love manny....i went to see him fight live twice....but reading people for the 5-6 years before mayweather really soured me on him....the same is happening with golovkin.....guys that should be universally loved.....i dont bag on kova or loma at all....
     
  8. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    why would he try to squeeze all he can out of the first fight if it could cost him his chances at winning unless his team dont think they can win?
    GGG's style ages faster than any other. Juan diaz, julio cesar chavez, rocky marciano, joe frazier, mike tyson, jack dempsey, marvin hagler all started to decline before they were 30. Yes GGG hasn't taken too many punches in pro fights, but the amateur bouts, the sparring add up as well. It is just not possible that his handspeed, footspeed, energy level and reflexes arent in serious decline at age 35. coupled with the fact that canelo is getting stronger and has an almost perfect style for GGG( GGg is incredibly dangerous when his opponents are on the move but he looked far less dangerous when monroe jr and brook stopped running, canelo is strong enough not to be pusheed back, he has a good defense and head movement and a powerful combination puncher) GGG needs to be at his best to beat canelo especially if the referee and the judges will be on canelo's side. I dont see how ageing another year will help him to be at his best
     
  9. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't really agree with the way you surmise that GGG's team expect to lose the fight, however you did make a lot of good points and I agree with you that GGG's team need to make the fight as soon as possible.

    However, the earliest possible for the Canelo is this September (no offer was sent for May 2017), and it could well happen still. Basically K2 are trying to get as much money as possible for the September fight, but as you say they ought to ensure that it does occur rather than get delayed.
     
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  10. radupidu

    radupidu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Man, do you even know how many years it takes off one's career fighting a heavy puncher like G two or three times??

    Thats not something a promoter would want, specially for a young cash cow like Canelo

    This will be a one time and one time only event
     
  11. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I honestly don't know what this means. As far as we all know, the fight offer for Sept. 2017 with the 15mill is what they are looking at. There hasn't been a deadline from GBP, so it;s safe to assume that once their respective fights are done, they will negotiate for this fall. The idea that they don't think they can win is absurd. There's nothing to tie that too.

    No, his style does not age faster then any other. Volume punchers and those who disregard defense ala' overly machismo fighters, age the fastest. Both Erik Morales and Fernando Vargas were done at top level boxers before age 30.

    What perfect style does canelo have? Look, I love the guy, but we all know his feet are essentially cement in the ring. And 3G is possibly the best at cutting the ring off. Canelo throws some nice looking combinations, but even I see the same 3 punch combos for the most part.

    No way is Alvarez the better technician then 3G. Gonna have to disagree with ya.
     
  12. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dont necessarily believe that they are expecting to lose for sure, i think that their actions can be interpreted as such, I asked the question so someone could explain why its NOT the case.
     
  13. cuchulain

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    Rematch ????

    Which of GGG's fights so far remotely warranted a rematch ?

    And why would Canelo do any better ?
     
  14. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    OK where do i begin. Ok can we agree that GGG being 40 is not as good as being 35 if he wants to beat canelo? ok then he should take the fight now is what im saying.

    Yes his style ages faster i gave a ton of examples in my last post.

    Canelo having cement feet doesnt affect the outcome of the GGG fight lmao!!! Do you see GGG running from canelo? do you see GGG using Lomachenko foot work? If canelo ran from GGG he would get murdered so thats not gonna be the gameplan! Therefre cement ffet are not a factor!!
    Canelo would have to avoid getting pushed back because if you watch the GGG monroe fight, GGG is much much more dangerous when you run from him. The only thing Canelo doesnt have that he might need is stamina to work the entire round.
    Watch tyson holyfield 1. I think canelo will have to keep GGG off the front foot use his quicker hands and reflexes to hit and not get hit in the pocket.
     
  15. moparfan

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