Toughest oppostion list

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  1. GordonGarner65

    GordonGarner65 Active Member Full Member

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    Was discussing this with a friend and we both agreed it was hard to find a guy with a tougher list than my old aquaintance Tyrell Biggs.
    Tillis Sims Snipes Bey on the way up, followed by Tyson Damiani Mason Bowe Lewis , when he got there. Either ATG's / unbeaten / peak, or combination of all.
    Even on the slide he got Tubbs / Donald/Hunter/Mathis. Either ex champs/contenders / unbeaten.
    I lived his career first hand, but never looked back at what a tough schedule that was.
    Man that was some list !? Maybe one for the guys of my generation. Anyone else ever care to see his career that way ?
     
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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Evander Holyfield. Had he managed to fight a Klitschko, it would've gotten absurd.
     
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  3. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Loved Tyrell back in the day brilliant boxer slick as hell beautiful jab just wish he could've held it together against Tyson for a few more rounds made a fool of him in the first - that first round is why I think Ali makes Tyson look ordinary
     
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  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't think the toughest opposition list belongs to an elite fighter. It more likely rests in the hands of a career journeyman ( like Everett Martin ) who faced an obscene number of high end opponents. Of course if we were to change the discussion to feature "victories" over the most elite foes then it would be a very different topic.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hector Camacho's ledger features more names than just about anyone's from the modern era. You can certainly point to some -- a lot -- of them being post-prime, but it's not like the Macho Man was frozen in time at age 25, so he, too, was somewhat past it for many of those.

    But just behold the sheer volume of quality names:

    Yori Boy Campas (d)
    Jorge Vaca (d)
    Oscar de la Hoya (l)
    Sugar Ray Leonard (w)
    Roberto Duran (w, w)
    Felix Trinidad (l)
    Julio Cesar Chavez (l)
    Greg Haugen (l/w)
    Tony Balthazar (w)
    Vinnie Pazienza (w)
    Ray Mancini (w)
    Howard Davis Jr. (W)
    Cornelius Boza-Edwards (w)
    Edwin Rosario (w)
    Freddie Roach (w)
    Jose Luis Ramirez (w)
    Rafael Solis (w)
    Bazooka Limon (w)
    John Monte's (w)
    Melvin Paul (w)

    That's in a span of 1982-2009. And in 88 fights, he was never stopped.
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Coverson was 30-zip when they fought too. It's a big list.
     
  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I get frustrated when look at biggs, the guy had talent big time. Great jab , movement, plenty of heart. It's a feeling he could have done much more. Of course a prime tyson was in the path and tyson took the fight personally. Tyson showed his mean streak big time in that fight and biggs was never the same. But a tough guy I think, very talented and from what I've read about him a decent fella. But yes what a record, some big names in there!
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I have always said beating Biggs was the best win Tyson ever had. An unbeaten Olympian.

    Biggs was the only non communist Olympic gold medal winner to fight in the heavyweight pro ranks since Pete Radmacher not win the pro world title. And that was only because of bad management. Even some silver medal winners. Damiani, ingo and Holyfield won titles.

    Think of them. Ingo, Floyd, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Spinks, Micheal spinks, Lewis, Holyfield, Klitchko, Mercer...Joshua.
     
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  9. GordonGarner65

    GordonGarner65 Active Member Full Member

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    In fairness i dont think it was just bad management.
    Biggsy was good enough to fight at elite level but not win at elite level. He shouldve beat Mason but he gassed, and from there he became an opponent.He lacked self belief.He says he lacked dedication.I think after Tyson he just saw fights as paydays.
    He wasnt naturally a powerful guy either for HW.
    From turnin pro in 84 until as far as 91/92 though, he won every fight he had that was outside of elite level,until he really started to slide.
    He only fought 3 times in 3 years at his peak due to time to let cuts heal. He sure did cut and mark up easy.
    When he beat Jeff Simm with one arm was somethin else. Biggsy to this day will say he really thought he would beat Mike Tyson.
     
  10. GordonGarner65

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    After Tyson, they shudda gave him a few easy ones, but they went to Milan to fight Damiani, this was the Duva's after the money again. Biggsy had beaten Damiani every time they met in the amateurs so i suppose they thought he'd be ok.
    It was as big a setback as the Tyson fight . Yes you are right, he's a good guy. He always said his favourite time was on the way up as a pro when anything seemed possible. Quite sad how it all unraveled.
     
  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    It is sad. And like u say if he'd been brought back steady, given him a few journeys to fight then get his confidence back up. Most fighters would have done that but suppose it's the dollar sign thing with the duva s. But there not the ones taking the punches.
     
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  12. mcvey

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    Exactly,Fireman Jim Flynn met:
    Langford x6!
    Johnson x2
    Root
    Jack twin Sullivan x4
    Tommy Burns
    Jack Dillon x6
    Morris x4
    Smith
    Gardnerx2
    Levinsky x3
    Dempsey x2
    Fulton
    Flowers


    Masochist Joe Grim faced:
    Levinsky
    McCarty
    Maherx2
    Fitzsimmons
    Johnson
    Walcott
    O Brien
    Blackburn
    Dixie Kidx3
    McVey
    Kaufman
    Gans x2
    Holly x2
     
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  13. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What about Ken Lakusta?

    He fought Bruno, Ruddock, Tua, Morrison and Foreman amongst others.
     
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    EVERETT MARTIN's list

    -Wladimir Klitschko
    -Riddick Bowe
    -George Foreman
    -Larry Holmes
    -Michael Moorer
    -Tim Witherspoon
    -Bonecrusher Smith
    -Tony Tucker
    -Gary Mason
    -Dwight Qawi
    -Johnny Du Plooy
    -Bert Cooper
    -Pierre Coetzer
    -Francesco Damiani
    -Tony Tubbs
    -Herbie Hide
    -Danell Nicholson
    -Ruslan Chagaev
    -Albert Sosnowski
    -Siarhei Liakhovich
    -Lamon Brewster
    - Fres Oquendo
    - Shazzon Bradley
    - Joe Hipp
    -Obed Sullivan
    -Timo Hoffman
    -Keith McKnight
    -Lance Whitaker
     
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  15. GordonGarner65

    GordonGarner65 Active Member Full Member

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    He sure looked neat in that first round,until Mike got rough, elbows an all.Biggsy always seemed to stop the boxing when it got rough and end up fighting the other guys fight.It didnt help that he had George Benton trying to train him as a slickster whilst Lou Duva just wanted him to fight to increase his appeal. Duva had him on a weight programme before that fight , something Biggs never did before or after and he said he felt tired and heavy legged real quick.
    I guess Mr Tyson may have also played a part.
    If you watch that fight properly though, ive always thought it wasnt the massacre it was portrayed. Biggs was firing back right through but Tyson was faster and stronger. The end came through exhaustion as much as anything else.
    Biggs'ys gas tank hit zero at the same stage v Tyson, Mason and Bowe.