Does anyone know if footage exists for Jeffries vs Corbett?

It was filmed but it did not come out correctly. A pity.

 

No it wasn't. Source Adam Pollack," In the Ring With James J Jeffries",page 364.
" Fitzsimmons noted that the fight would not be filmed"."Corbett looked up regretfully at the scanting where the verascope used to be, no pictures"

 

One was filmed and did not come out.

 

The first one definitely wasn't and Adam Pollack makes no mention of the second one being filmed, nor does he mention any percentage of film rights in his breakdown of the purses.Where is your source that it was filmed?

 

Mendoza had a bet with me that the Fitzsimmons v Ruhlin fight was filmed it wasn't ,the camera malfunctioned at the start and so the fight was re-enacted later and passed off as the real fight until it was spotted that Ruhlin's chief second Jim Corbett was not in his corner .The real fight was in MSG NY, after the fight Corbett returned to his home in San Francisco and refused to return for the re-enactment. This is confirmed in Gilbert Odd's biography of Fitzsimmons and was also confirmed to me in a pm from Adam Pollack.Mendoza refused to honour the bet , but it doesn't matter he damaged himself not me by not doing so.

 

You're not in the middle of anything, it's old news now.

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First off liar the bet was simple. Was fitz vs Ruhlin it filmed. Yes it was. You lost!

Liar, welcher, and dishonorable suits you.

Per klompton here are some boxing matches that were filmed:

Take note one is Jeffries vs Corbett.

Another is fitz vs Ruhlin.

If you doubt klompton knowing what was filmed you'll lose again!

In fact Mcvey you admit tons of mistakes here. Get ready for another.

29 Mar 2012, 18:19 Klompton wrote

Im a big fight film fanatic. I am absolutely fascinated by the history of boxing films and Im always staggered by the various fights I come across which were filmed but apparently dont exist anymore. I thought Id share a list Ive made of some of those fights. Feel free to add to it or comment on it:

Hughie Mehegen Vs Matt Wells
Georges Carpentier Vs George Gunther
Georges Carpentier Vs Jim Sullivan
Georges Carpentier Vs Gunboat Smith
Georges Carpentier Vs Joe Jeanette
Georges Carpentier Vs Billy Wells
Sam Langford Vs Sam McVea Sydney 1912
Sam Langford Vs Sam McVea Paris 1911
Sam Langford Vs Iron Hague
Eddie McGoorty Vs Dave Smith
Joe Bonds Vs Dick O'Brien
Freddie Welsh Vs Willie Ritchie
Billy Wells Vs Bandsman Blake
Archie Bradley Vs Harry Stone
Jim Corbett Vs Jim Jeffries
Kid McCoy Vs Peter Maher
Danny Frush Vs Johnny Kilbane
Paul Berlenbach Vs Mike McTigue
Jimmy Britt Vs Johnny Summers
Ray Bronson Vs Sid Sullivan
Jim Corbett Vs Kid McCoy (not sure if this is the staged fight they did before a back drop or the real one)
Jack Dempsey Vs Fred Fulton
Terry McGovern Vs George Dixon
Bob Fitzsimmons Vs Jack O'Brien
Bob Fitzsimmons Vs Gus Ruhlin
Fred Fulton Vs Charlie Weinert
Mike Gibbons Vs Young Ahearn
Jim Jeffries Vs Bob Fitzsimmons
Battling Nelson Vs Terry McGovern
Jack Johnson Vs Bob Roper
Mickey Walker Vs Dave Shade
Paul Berlenbach Vs Young Stribling
Luis Firpo Vs Sailor Maxted
Mike Gibbons Vs Soldier Bartfield
Frank Moran Vs Billy Wells
Ted Kid Lewis Vs Marcel Thomas


Obviously there are tons and tons more but thats what I could come up with off the top of my head.

 

QUOTE="Mendoza, post: 18411829, member: 19227"]First off liar the bet was simple. Was fitz vs Ruhlin it filmed. Yes it was. You lost!

Liar, welcher, and dishonorable suits you.

Per klompton here are some boxing matches that were filmed:

Take note one is Jeffries vs Corbett.

Another is fitz vs Ruhlin.

If you doubt klompton knowing what was filmed you'll lose again!

In fact Mcvey you admit tons of mistakes here. Get ready for another.

29 Mar 2012, 18:19 Klompton wrote

Im a big fight film fanatic. I am absolutely fascinated by the history of boxing films and Im always staggered by the various fights I come across which were filmed but apparently dont exist anymore. I thought Id share a list Ive made of some of those fights. Feel free to add to it or comment on it:

Hughie Mehegen Vs Matt Wells
Georges Carpentier Vs George Gunther
Georges Carpentier Vs Jim Sullivan
Georges Carpentier Vs Gunboat Smith
Georges Carpentier Vs Joe Jeanette
Georges Carpentier Vs Billy Wells
Sam Langford Vs Sam McVea Sydney 1912
Sam Langford Vs Sam McVea Paris 1911
Sam Langford Vs Iron Hague
Eddie McGoorty Vs Dave Smith
Joe Bonds Vs **** O'Brien
Freddie Welsh Vs Willie Ritchie
Billy Wells Vs Bandsman Blake
Archie Bradley Vs Harry Stone
Jim Corbett Vs Jim Jeffries
Kid McCoy Vs Peter Maher
Danny Frush Vs Johnny Kilbane
Paul Berlenbach Vs Mike McTigue
Jimmy Britt Vs Johnny Summers
Ray Bronson Vs Sid Sullivan
Jim Corbett Vs Kid McCoy (not sure if this is the staged fight they did before a back drop or the real one)
Jack Dempsey Vs Fred Fulton
Terry McGovern Vs George Dixon
Bob Fitzsimmons Vs Jack O'Brien
Bob Fitzsimmons Vs Gus Ruhlin
Fred Fulton Vs Charlie Weinert
Mike Gibbons Vs Young Ahearn
Jim Jeffries Vs Bob Fitzsimmons
Battling Nelson Vs Terry McGovern
Jack Johnson Vs Bob Roper
Mickey Walker Vs Dave Shade
Paul Berlenbach Vs Young Stribling
Luis Firpo Vs Sailor Maxted
Mike Gibbons Vs Soldier Bartfield
Frank Moran Vs Billy Wells
Ted Kid Lewis Vs Marcel Thomas


Obviously there are tons and tons more but thats what I could come up with off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]
I've proved the Ruhlin v Fitzsimmons fight was not filmed ,Lubin made a re-enactment later with a different chief second for Ruhlin since Jim Corbett refused to return to New York to participate, Ruhlin had to wear stage make -up to disguise his badly bruised face, it is a matter of stone fact, that you refused to pay is also a fact.
If you think staging a re-enactment of a fight is filming the real fight and are prepared to use it to weasel out of honouring a bet then there's nothing more to be said.
I don't want your money, I've taken from you what I wanted ,your credibility.

ps What are the," tons of mistakes I made there?"

 

I've proved the Ruhlin v Fitzsimmons fight was not filmed ,Lubin made a re-enactment later with a different chief second for Ruhlin since Jim Corbett refused to return to New York to participate, Ruhlin had to wear stage make -up to disguise his badly bruised face, it is a matter of stone fact, that you refused to pay is also a fact.
If you think staging a re-enactment of a fight is filming the real fight and are prepared to use it to weasel out of honouring a bet then there's nothing more to be said.
I don't want your money, I've taken from you what I wanted ,your credibility.

ps What are the," tons of mistakes I made there?"[/QUOTE]
To add further I've been in contact with Klompton today and he had confirmed that the Ruhlin v Fitzsimmons fight was NOT FILMED.Here is part on the conversation I had with him today posted with his permission.
Klompton said the first Jeffries v Corbett fight was not filmed ,which I stated.
He also states the second Jeffries v Corbett fight may have been a fake re-enactment.

"I know for a fact that the Fitzsimmons-Ruhlin fight was faked. I have several photos of them faking the fight using the actual fighters. The newspaper reports state that no film was taken at the actual fight. So this one for sure was faked, no actual fight footage was filmed, and the fake fight was advertised as the real thing in places. In regards to Jeffries-Corbett: The film of their first fight was faked. The newspaper report talks about the veriscope stand being empty during the fight and no films being made. However there was a film advertised of their second fight in 1903. One advertisment I have says that it was filmed by Thomas Edison which would lend one to believe it was the real thing however this time period was the wild west for films and its still possible that this was fake."

Klompton replied a second time to my inquiry,he is his full post.
I asked if he had any objection to my posting it .Here is his verbatim response
"Not at all, post away.

In regards to Adam its possible he missed it or just neglected to put that fact in his book. He's only human after all.

But yes, Mendoza is a liar and even the list I have shouldnt be taken as gospel in regards to those earliest boxing films for the simple fact that so many of those fights were indeed faked and its hard to tell what was real and what was a fake film. Another instance of this is an advertisement for the Corbett-McCoy fight film. Its very hard to tell from the advertisements if this was the fake fight they filmed as kind of an exhibition or their actual bout. For those earliest films up to about 1905 its unlikely we will ever find them so my list is kind of academic anyway. After that you start getting a clearer picture on what was real and what was fake and by about 1910 the fake fights stop being produced from what I can tell."


Got anything further to add?

 

Oh boy, Tom and Jerry at it again.

 

Facts are facts.I'm rather keen on them how about you?